zound, :)
You forgot one detail- you will need one apostate CO as well and then an apostate service desk in the local branch.
Drearyweather
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Proposed Apostate takeover campaign
by zound infictional apostate takeover campaign.
stage #1.. what if in a town that had a particularly large amount of apostates and ex-jw's, over a period of a few months, they started going to a small congregation.
either pretending they were bible studies or just returning jw's, they got good standing in the congregation, priveleges etc.
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NEW PUBLICATION!..... 'References for Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook'
by darkspilver inhaha!
yes folks!
it's an eight page printout from the cd-rom of the scriptures and wt reference for use during the midweek clam meeting.. 'references for life and ministry meeting workbook'.
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Drearyweather
Hello,
This publication has been around since June 2016. The document was initially prepared in English for the translation teams around the world. This was translated into other languages which had the workbook but didn't have all the references cited in their language.
A letter was read to the congregations in June 2016:
2016 06-03-E-CONG-Re: References for the Our Christian Life and Ministry - Meeting Workbook
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NEW PUBLICATION!..... 'References for Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook'
by darkspilver inhaha!
yes folks!
it's an eight page printout from the cd-rom of the scriptures and wt reference for use during the midweek clam meeting.. 'references for life and ministry meeting workbook'.
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Drearyweather
Hello,
This publication has been around since June 2016. The document was initially prepared in English for the translation teams around the world. This was translated into other languages which had the workbook but didn't have all the references cited in their language.
A letter was read to the congregations in June 2016:
2016 06-03-E-CONG-Re: References for the Our Christian Life and Ministry - Meeting Workbook
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Real reason why Russian government is trying to ban JW's
by LevelThePlayingField inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv59ttywjom&feature=youtu.be.
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Drearyweather
Hi menrov,
Your interpretation requires some refining.
According to WT interpretation, the United Nations (UN), will attack false religion (not Russia or any other country).
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/gods-kingdom/promises/kingdom-enemies-removed/
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The Russian letters
by purrpurr inso all the jw's i know are practically wetting their pants in excitement over the russian letters they are sending out.
they seem to have this insane idea that putin's office will be pulled sky high with all these letters and they have this image in their imaginations of him having to open and read every letter (!).
also all the jw's i know have all put their name and address on the letter... which couldn't have any repercussions of course (!
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Drearyweather
Whether Putin reads these letters or not, its achieving the purpose of GB as stated in their press release: "The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses wants to heighten attention to this critical situation”
https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/
Literally all JW's and Ex-Jw's are speaking about this letter writing campaign.
JW's are using all of their time and effort to write and post letters. (Yesterday, my local congregation (India) of 40 publishers sent 210 letters to Moscow through courier and 50 letters to the local Russian embassy. Another mammoth letter writing session planned tomorrow)
While Ex-Jw's are using all their time to discuss about this and the possible things that Putin will do with these letters coming in. 5 topics in the first two pages of this forum itself!
In any scenario, whether JW's get banned or not, this situation is surely getting all the attention that it requires.
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What the "Worldly" media has to say about the proposed Russian ban of JWs
by NikL ininteresting to read the reports from around the world.
i doubt many jws have read any of them.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-government-jehovahs-witnesses-extremist-group-lawsuit-supreme-court-a7634671.html.
russian authorities threatened to close jehovah’s witnesses administrative centre last march, when they issued a formal warning to the congregation that the “religious association will be subject to liquidation” if it failed to eliminate within two months the violations identified by the government as “extremist”.
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Drearyweather
I think there are two aspects to see this issue. Persecution of religious groups is different from banning them outright.
We are correct about Pentecostals and Protestants being persecuted in Russia, but I would like to know- has Russia banned them or has it decided to outrightly ban any other Christian denomination in Russia?
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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia
by jwleaks injehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.
march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.
new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.
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Drearyweather
sir82, regarding your comment:
Just waiting for some JWs to start in on how Jehovah must be refining the brothers, there must be some problem going on in Russia, and just as Jehovah used the Babylonians and the Assyrians to discipline his people, today he is using the Russians....
This thinking is now old light. The WT recently dunked this thought in the Nov 2016 Watchtower article:
"In the past, we said that God’s people did not have his favor during World War I because they did not preach with zeal. For this reason, we believed that Jehovah had allowed Babylon the Great to take them captive for a short time. However, faithful brothers and sisters who served God between 1914 and 1918 later explained that as a group, they did everything they could to keep preaching. A better understanding of what happened to the Bible Students during that time helps us to understand certain events recorded in the Bible"
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402016844?q=1918&p=par -
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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia
by jwleaks injehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.
march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.
new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.
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Drearyweather
jwleaks,
you mentioned: Joseph Rutherford, president of Watchtower and leader of the JWs, organized a letter writing campaign against Hitler which, more or less, personally threatened him. Interestingly Rutherford died first, in 1942, and Hitler died in 1945.
Not supporting JW's, but since you made a comparison with Hitler- More interestingly, Rutherford died in 1942, but left behind his idea and product-JW's which are numbering into millions (both in membership and $$). On the other side, in 1945, Hitler killed himself, his ideology and his Nazi party - into oblivion.
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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia
by jwleaks injehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.
march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.
new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.
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Drearyweather
Hi tor,
Got the best idea ever, you know when you go to the card store and they have those big cards that has enough room for many people to sign....The org. can have every congregation do that...I think that's better don't you...
Buying a card and getting everyone sign on it is not the best way to show support for a cause. Anyone can buy a big card and sign with all sorts of different styles to show support. Writing and sending individual letters shows effort- even if they are copy-paste- at least you had to pay the postage for each letter.In the end it's never about a cause it's always about the money....maybe JW's don't support the gov't in Russia but take advantage of all the benefits...just like they do here in the USA....maybe they are a burden on their society...
What exactly do you mean by supporting the govt? There are heck load of people in Russia (hundred times the number of JW's) who don't pay taxes, don't vote and thus are a burden to the society.
I think it's more about $$$, than anything else...
No need for anyone to speculate about this. Its obvious in their press release on jw.org where they say that they are going to lose their kingdom halls and their administrative office. Banning adherents from meeting together and confiscating properties have never worked and will not work. At least for JW's. -
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#1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?
by EdenOne ini'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.
your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .
why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.
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Drearyweather
EdenOne,
There are many ways of answering and analyzing this question.
People will argue on the premise: "God does not put us through tests" but "allows tests to come on us".
You said: Not stopping evil when you have the power to do so is evil in itself. Not necessarily in all cases. It depends on how much we know about the 'tests' people are facing. My cousin is currently suffering from a terminal disease with unimaginable pain. Some people around him feel that if God has unlimited power, why does he let him go through such pain? Why doesn't he heal him?
However, known to us and other family members, my cousin (never a JW) had made extreme bad choices in life (drugs, violent gangs, etc) and is now suffering from STD and a miserable life. Should God come and stop his suffering since he has the power to do so? Who is evil? God or my cousin? Is God putting him through tests of faith? or Is God allowing him to suffer the consequences of his own decisions? His JW wife is doing extremely well in taking care of him, their children, her parents, doing two jobs a day and living as a JW. All with a constant smile on her face. If you ask me, do miracles happen? Yes, what she achieves is nothing short of a miracle.It is because of her sheer willpower that he has managed to survive so long. So i feel, If God exists, then he has done a good job by not miraculously healing my brother and at the same he is doing a great job by empowering my sis-in-law to endure all this.
You can argue on this point on and on. According to me, it all depends on how much I know about the situation or the 'evil' and trying to understand why certain things we call 'evil' are happening, rather than squarely putting the entire blame on God.
We are all human beings created with a sense of proper decision making. We either suffer evil because of our own decisions or due to bad decisions taken by others. And it is up to us whether we chose to sit and cry over our misery and blame God for our suffering or stand up and try to use the 'God-given' abilities to come out of our suffering.