Posts by Drearyweather

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Publisher ID: leaked video clip 2 of 4

by Fay Dehr in

"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ― george orwell, 1984 this video is leaked in interest of human dignity; you deserve to know who is keeping personal data and how they plan to expand their nets.

open to your comments... https://youtu.be/xz1arhu0fg0

[videos 1 to 4 leaked as own posts, with specific comments for each video].

Drearyweather

suppose that you had asked the wts to delete all references to your disfellowshipping

The Right to Erasure (Article 17) has certain exceptions that allow an organization to deny an individuals request to delete his personal data. So if a disfellowshipped individual asks WT to delete his personal data, the WT is not obligated to delete the data if they can prove that the data falls under the following exceptions:

for exercising the right of freedom of expression and information;
for compliance with a legal obligation which requires processing by Union or Member State law to which the controller is subject or for the performance of a task carried out in the public interest or in the exercise of official authority vested in the controller;
for reasons of public interest in the area of public health in accordance with points (h) and (i) of Article 9(2) as well as Article 9(3);
for archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific or historical research purposes or statistical purposes in accordance with Article 89(1) in so far as the right referred to in paragraph 1 is likely to render impossible or seriously impair the achievement of the objectives of that processing; or
for the establishment, exercise or defence of legal claims.

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New data movement this is what I see as their goals .

by Crazyguy in

after listening to the leaked videos this is what i think it’s all about.

first i don’t believe they will want to much personal information ie bank accounts etc do to potential legal problems down the road.

what i think is their goal is once all publishers are in the data base they then have no need for written information about any issue concerning a publisher and how issues are handled by elders and the branch etc... this information now is in their own data base and can be deleted or manipulated by them at any time.

Drearyweather

out of the 1.2 million publishers only about 750,000 are in their current system. He acts as though these missing ones are just not in the system yet but I suspect these ones don’t exist. That’s over 400,000 less publishers just in the USA.

In any branch office, only the Bethelites, Ex-bethelites, Regular Pioneers, Elders, MS, CO, DO and all others in any full-time service are present in the databases. (Not auxiliary pioneers). Any publisher who has never served in any type of full-time service is never included in any bethel database. Even those who participated in small campaigns or helped in construction are included in the database.

The above calculation means that over 400,000 publishers in the US have never been in any form full-time service apart from being Aux. Pioneers at the most.

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Publisher ID: leaked video clip 2 of 4

by Fay Dehr in

"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ― george orwell, 1984 this video is leaked in interest of human dignity; you deserve to know who is keeping personal data and how they plan to expand their nets.

open to your comments... https://youtu.be/xz1arhu0fg0

[videos 1 to 4 leaked as own posts, with specific comments for each video].

Drearyweather

I can get the forms tomorrow, which on the REVERSE contain sensitive info about the publisher.

Yes. But the publisher himself knows that this information is filled by the service committee and he agrees to the following terms when applying for it (A-27 form):

I hereby consent to the collection and processing of my personal data necessary for the evaluation of my application to serve as a construction volunteer. I further consent to the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses that administers the activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses in my geographic area processing and retaining for its use the information found on this application and any additional information that may be submitted in connection with my application by individuals serving as elders of Jehovah’s Witnesses or by me. I understand that the transfer of my personal data to the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses and to the ecclesiastical Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses (the “Governing Body”) in the state of New York, United States of America, may be necessary for the evaluation of my application to serve as a construction volunteer. I authorize the transfer to the Governing Body of the information found on this application and any additional personal information that the Governing Body deems necessary regarding my capacity to serve as a construction volunteer.

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Need blood? Save your life, here's why.

by LevelThePlayingField in

so here's the point regarding blood transfusions.

notice jesus asks the pharisees if it was lawful on the sabbath to save a life.

so, can you break god's law to save your life if it came to that?

Drearyweather

So why is it a disfellowshipping offense to take a blood transfusion when there is no precedent in the Bible for it?

Taking blood is not a direct disfellowshipping offense.

Following are the two policies:

1. If someone takes blood willingly and is not repentant, he is termed as disassociated.

2. If someone takes blood under extreme pressure, he is given counsel.

when there is no precedent in the Bible for it?

In JW world, the precedent for the above policies is given in the two instances you mentioned:

Remember that when someone was observed breaking the Sabbath, they reported it to Moses and they didn't do anything right away. But then Jehovah said to put him to death.

In this instance, it is taken that the person willfully broke the Sabbath law and was punished with death. This is the basis for disassociating a person who wilfully takes blood and does not repent. (Policy No, 1 above)

when it was reported to Saul, Jehovah did not say anything to them, no death, no punishment, just that they should not have done so, and he provided to them a slaughter.

In this instance, Saul repented and provided special sacrifices which were accepted by Jehovah and was pardoned. This is the basis for not disfellowshipping a person who is repentant after taking blood due to extreme pressure.

The above is the JW policies.

However, whether blood transfusions fits the Biblical law is a different discussion.

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April 2018 Broadcast - normal weird stuff

by Listener in

we hear a story regarding the life of thomas and emma.

she states that "when thomas and i first learnt that i was pregnant, we were both really shocked" she doesn't explain why they were both really shocked but it seems an odd reaction unless they were using the safest contraception invented or hadn't been told about the bird and the bees.two experiences that touched the heart of gb sanderson were as follows -.

in russia a jw was jailed for 6 months, the jailers did everything to try to undermine his faith, which included violence.

Drearyweather

I don't recall anyone making the statement on this forum (or in practice) without explaining why it came as a shock. The way it came across on the video was odd because of that.

This one:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/205990/im-pregnant

No explanation. Not that she owes one. But everyone congratulated and wished her. No one mentioned that it was odd or asked for an explanation.

My point was that a couple can get surprised by pregnancy and this couple in the video is no different.

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April 2018 Broadcast - normal weird stuff

by Listener in

we hear a story regarding the life of thomas and emma.

she states that "when thomas and i first learnt that i was pregnant, we were both really shocked" she doesn't explain why they were both really shocked but it seems an odd reaction unless they were using the safest contraception invented or hadn't been told about the bird and the bees.two experiences that touched the heart of gb sanderson were as follows -.

in russia a jw was jailed for 6 months, the jailers did everything to try to undermine his faith, which included violence.

Drearyweather

She doesn't explain why they were both really shocked but it seems an odd reaction

Didn't anyone teach them the 'birds and the bees'? What a mad statement.

Strange comments. Why can't pregnancy come as a shock to couples? There are many topics on this forum of members announcing that they are pregnant and were shocked when they got to know about it.

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Life during the 1,000 reign???

by Joliette in

jw
friends

me and my brother recently got into a discussion about the 1,000 reign.

i told him that even after armageddon, you know that you still have to work for your salvation??

he says yes, that he is prepared to work for jehovah (wth), and that it will be a wonderful time.

Drearyweather

you know that you still have to work for your salvation??

In JW world, going to paradise is like getting a well-paying job in Google or Microsoft. Even though you work hard your way to get that job, you still need to work harder to retain your job and keep yourself from being kicked out.

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Personal Data Permission (Spain)

by paradiseseeker in

jw
friends

i had the meeting yesterday and there it was announced that there will be a new law passed in spain regarding personal data.

that law makes it compulsory for the wt spanish branch to collect a signed permission from the publishers to keep and utilize personal data.

no choice was given to us, we were just told to make sure we hand in our signed permissions before may 18th.

Drearyweather

Sorry, didn't quite get the point here.

Do we have any evidence where WT has previously used personal data for commercial profit or for illegal purposes?

If the person wishes to become a publisher or get baptized or become a pioneer, etc, the WT is fair in collecting and maintaining personal data from them. How can a person work for the WT without giving any of his details to them?

If a person who has past of child abuse cases on him asks the BOE to delete his personal info, is the WT obligated to delete all his previous record of child abuse cases, including all his files and letters?

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Secret Societies involved at the very top of the Org

by Formerbrother in

are all the gb members past and present, part of skulls and bones and other masonic secret societies?

we know the first few top brass were, like br rutherford and br russel.. they all have several expensive watches.

like literally more than one for everyday of the week, rolex and omega, where did they come from?

Drearyweather

"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" - Christopher Hitchens

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GDPR: help for PIMOs

by Fay Dehr in

we urgently need to offer "resistance strategy" help to pimos who are likely to be harassed by elders seeking their consent for wtbt$ to leech their data.

what questions could pimos ask elders, that elders would be unable to answer?

(thus buying time, because elder would need to "check with branch").

Drearyweather

"It's not something I'd want to do at this time, but if I change my mind, I'll get back to you."

This line needs to be told before getting baptized as a JW.