Posts by Drearyweather

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New World Translation REVISED Editions

by Wonderment in

i have noticed some posters (with frustration) asking for information regarding the nwt in various language editions.

here is a list of some of the nwt revised language editions published so far:.

albanian; arabic; armenian; chinese traditional 2017; danish 2017; dutch-netherlands 2017; estonian; haitian creole; italian 2017; korean 2014; modern greek 2017; norwegian 2017; portuguese 2015; romanian; russian; swahili 2017; swedish 2017; ukrainian; vietnamese.. not yet published: .

Drearyweather

The only "witnessing" ever been done by J.W.`s is poaching off what Christendom has gone and done before them

This shows that Christendom did a bad job in retaining their members. And that's the business model of a religion. Christendom preyed on the vulnerable natives of the land by forceful conversions, bloodshed, crusades. Jesus converted Jews to Christianity. That's how religions grow. You poach the predecessor and target the vulnerability of their members. JW's are not the only one doing this.

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New World Translation REVISED Editions

by Wonderment in

i have noticed some posters (with frustration) asking for information regarding the nwt in various language editions.

here is a list of some of the nwt revised language editions published so far:.

albanian; arabic; armenian; chinese traditional 2017; danish 2017; dutch-netherlands 2017; estonian; haitian creole; italian 2017; korean 2014; modern greek 2017; norwegian 2017; portuguese 2015; romanian; russian; swahili 2017; swedish 2017; ukrainian; vietnamese.. not yet published: .

Drearyweather

Or maybe where are the funds

You think that the WT is out of funds?

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Judge Orders Jehovah's Witnesses to turn over Internal Documents re: Childhood Sexual Abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://nixlaw.com/news/judge-orders-jehovahs-witnesses-to-turn-over-internal-documents-related-to-childhood-sexual-abuse/.

judge orders jehovah’s witnesses to turn over internal documents related to childhood sexual abuse.

april 12, 2018. .

Drearyweather

I don't have the link but in one case it was like $4,000 every day they didn't produce the documents. Months later they were still in contempt of court.

And that case got settled out of court for an undisclosed sum.

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Song: The Life Of A Pioneer

by pale.emperor in

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it struck me today how the lyrics to kingdom song 81 "the life of a pioneer" sound almost like a slave song from a plantation or something.

what's also sad is, if you read, you'll notice that they sound not only like slaves, but slaves that are admittedly tired and worn out yet grateful to serve their governing body overseers master to prove their devotion to him.. very sad indeed..

at the start of the day, with the sun yet to rise,.

Drearyweather

lyrics to Kingdom Song 81 "The Life Of A Pioneer" sound almost like a slave song from a plantation or something.

Yes, the song is based on Ecc 11:6 which is about planting seeds non-stop from morning to evening:

Sow your seed in the morning and do not let your hand rest until the evening; for you do not know which will have success, whether this one or that one, or whether they will both do well.

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Cart witnessing at the Toyota Grand Prix

by Dagney in

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picture 185,000 people on the streets attending the biggest event in long beach.

there is a main downtown street which is the only way into the grand prix.

it’s chaos because it is not private property that can be contained; these are working boulevards with cars and people vying to get where they want to go.

Drearyweather

freddo and alanv,

All that we have is perspective and an opinion out of what we see. My mother participated in a week-long cart witnessing drive at a local book fair (in India) and the entire group placed 1000 pieces of literature in total. If this gets printed in any JW literature, it would be enough fodder for all JW's across the world to continue their cart work no matter what the results are.

Regarding KH crashing and picketing, two things stand out: One, even the Ex-JW world is divided on the effectiveness of this. Two, the videos uploaded are viewed and commented upon by other Ex-JW's. I am not sure if the world takes notice of these things. We don't have any independent and unbiased view on this.

My point was that many individuals participate in these activities for personal satisfaction (praising Jehovah, etc) and hope that they have some results. A JW feels that he cannot convert a person unless Jehovah draws him, while an Ex-JW activist feels that he cannot awake a JW unless he opens his mind. A JW who is unable to place a single literature during his cart work goes home happy thinking that he has made Jehovah proud and hopes someone will visit the website. Same is true of an Ex-JW activist who goes home after a KH crash or a picketing session.

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Cart witnessing at the Toyota Grand Prix

by Dagney in

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friends

picture 185,000 people on the streets attending the biggest event in long beach.

there is a main downtown street which is the only way into the grand prix.

it’s chaos because it is not private property that can be contained; these are working boulevards with cars and people vying to get where they want to go.

Drearyweather

Good job WBTS! You got them busy in a nothing work.

Sometimes religious activity is about making people feel better about themselves. When you don't get results from your preaching activity, then you have given praise to Jehovah. That's all. and there is a concept of 'you don't know where the seed may fall' scene, where tangible results are not seen but witnesses feel somewhere someone must be thinking about the truth due to their cart activity.

This is pretty much true in the ex-JW activism world too. A kingdom hall crash or picketing at conventions produces zero results. But then it satisfies the ex-JW activist and, like a JW he thinks that someone must have noticed him and would have awakened.

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JWs and the Holocaust

by Stealth in

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the jws always like to highlight their persecution during the holocaust.

while true, the chart below showing numbers of victims for jw was the lowest of all persecuted groups.

even lower than spanish republicans.. im guessing there have been more victims due to the wt blood policy.

Drearyweather

The JWs always like to highlight their persecution during the Holocaust. While true, the chart below showing numbers of victims for JW was the lowest of all persecuted groups.

I think JW's have never implied that their numbers were higher than the other groups. Unless if you can show otherwise.

They have highlighted the fact that their members preferred persecution even though they could have gotten away with just signing a declaration form. I am not sure if any other group got this chance.

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Apostate driven lies

by pleaseresearch in

ok guys and gals.. let's have them.

as horrible as this may be i really want to see a few examples.

all my life i was taught that apostates just spread lies and falsehoods.. yet since i have left the organisation and looked deeply into apostate articles.

Drearyweather

That's mostly individual exaggerations by disgruntled ex-jws. We had a person in one of our conventions with a slogan- 'Thousands of JW children die every year due to refusing blood transfusions'.- This was way exaggeration of a number no one actually knows.

Some other are claims that JW's have spirit channeling inside Brooklyn and sort of that. And the Johny the Bethelite from the six screens conference calls. Almost dubious and enough to scare lurkers away.

Can't find the sources but people here may know.

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Christ's sacrifice

by dogisgod in

so, i am having lunch with a group of women with varying backgrounds.

i asked the circle how many believed in the story of adam and eve and the snake.

no one believed it literally.

Drearyweather

So Christ paid the ransom.

Yes

So who set the ransom price?

Jehovah. Remember, everything happens due to his will.

The one who sets/demands a ransom is the one who stole/took/kidnapped someone or something---right?

No. Legally, the bail/bond amount for releasing someone from prison/detention is set by the law, not by the perpetrator or the criminal.

So if jehober set/demanded the ransom price, then he must also be the perpetrator of the crime that needed to be remedied by the ransom price ---right?

No. See the reply above.

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Example of sensitive data – should I be worried?

by Fay Dehr in

### here's a link to a high-quality version of the above form: https://1drv.ms/u/s!amcrvjcxi6m6a2mdhysjdll3m00 ###.

the attached image is the rear of form a-27; this is just example of many forms that contain personal data.

i’d like to know: should i be worried?.

Drearyweather

I've personally seen forms come through with dire character comments

That's the strange part I feel. The BOE letters clearly state that these construction/volunteer forms are for exemplary baptized publishers. In my congregation, the BOE has given forms only to those who qualify.

The signed consent if for additional data, such as on this form, to be stored about you.

This additional data is the subjective evaluation that the individual himself permits the elders to do regarding him when he signs the form. The individual himself permits the elders to rate him and store information on him. If he leaves the WT then he can ask the WT to erase the data on him under the Article 17, I guess.

Why would a person who doubts the WT reach to the point of filling up a Volunteer Program Application?

it is significant that S-21 data (name | DOB | baptism | phone | email | service record | "OS/anointed") is going to be held regardless of signed consent.

The Baptism date and the service record data, OS/anointed is of zero value to anyone than the WT.

The only data they will have is the name, DOB, phone/email and the address, which pretty much dozens and dozens of entities other than the WT have about me.

My view is that you are overthinking about this issue. But you are entitled to an opinion.