Posts by Drearyweather

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Can we support Russian government's ban?

by intropist in

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글쓴이: 류비 / 시간: 목, 03/30/2017 - 14:48. .

hi, i want to leave my personal opinion on the matter of russian government's banning on the activity of jehovah's witnesses in their territory.

i think it's more or less important because bearing a certain opinion is related with the quality of life.

Drearyweather

I consider ISIS as extremist not just because of the propaganda that they publish, but because of the atrocities that they are committing. Even though there cant be a perfect figure, at least we have an estimate of the number of civilians that are killed by the ISIS, and video footages of the demolition of the antique architecture of Iraq.

Its true that JW's do publish information that can be considered as extremist. In such cases, banning the publications is necessary. However, since Russia is banning the JW's altogether, does Russia have absolute data on the following issues:

1. Blood ban: How many witnesses in Russia have died due to refusal of blood transfusion?

2. Breaking families: How many people in Russia have been affected by the disfellowshipping offence? If not an actual figure, has Russia documented the stories of such people and investigated all the cases where accusations were made of families getting torn apart due to JW teachings?

3. Fostering hatred: Has Russia tried to document cases where this has happened? Have they provided video footage of the meetings or assemblies to the public to show that hatred is propagated from the stage?

Russia needs to make the world aware with proper facts and cases.

If the publication is extremist, publish the quotes to the public and ban the publication.

If people are extremist, document the cases to the public and then ban them.

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Proposed Apostate takeover campaign

by zound in

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fictional apostate takeover campaign.

stage #1.. what if in a town that had a particularly large amount of apostates and ex-jw's, over a period of a few months, they started going to a small congregation.

either pretending they were bible studies or just returning jw's, they got good standing in the congregation, priveleges etc.

Drearyweather

zound, :)

You forgot one detail- you will need one apostate CO as well and then an apostate service desk in the local branch.

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NEW PUBLICATION!..... 'References for Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook'

by darkspilver in

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haha!

yes folks!

it's an eight page printout from the cd-rom of the scriptures and wt reference for use during the midweek clam meeting.. 'references for life and ministry meeting workbook'.

Drearyweather

Hello,

This publication has been around since June 2016. The document was initially prepared in English for the translation teams around the world. This was translated into other languages which had the workbook but didn't have all the references cited in their language.

A letter was read to the congregations in June 2016:

2016 06-03-E-CONG-Re: References for the Our Christian Life and Ministry - Meeting Workbook

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NEW PUBLICATION!..... 'References for Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook'

by darkspilver in

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haha!

yes folks!

it's an eight page printout from the cd-rom of the scriptures and wt reference for use during the midweek clam meeting.. 'references for life and ministry meeting workbook'.

Drearyweather

Hello,

This publication has been around since June 2016. The document was initially prepared in English for the translation teams around the world. This was translated into other languages which had the workbook but didn't have all the references cited in their language.

A letter was read to the congregations in June 2016:

2016 06-03-E-CONG-Re: References for the Our Christian Life and Ministry - Meeting Workbook

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Real reason why Russian government is trying to ban JW's

by LevelThePlayingField in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv59ttywjom&feature=youtu.be.

Drearyweather

Hi menrov,

Your interpretation requires some refining.

According to WT interpretation, the United Nations (UN), will attack false religion (not Russia or any other country).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/gods-kingdom/promises/kingdom-enemies-removed/

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The Russian letters

by purrpurr in

so all the jw's i know are practically wetting their pants in excitement over the russian letters they are sending out.

they seem to have this insane idea that putin's office will be pulled sky high with all these letters and they have this image in their imaginations of him having to open and read every letter (!).

also all the jw's i know have all put their name and address on the letter... which couldn't have any repercussions of course (!

Drearyweather

Whether Putin reads these letters or not, its achieving the purpose of GB as stated in their press release: "The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses wants to heighten attention to this critical situation”

https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/

Literally all JW's and Ex-Jw's are speaking about this letter writing campaign.

JW's are using all of their time and effort to write and post letters. (Yesterday, my local congregation (India) of 40 publishers sent 210 letters to Moscow through courier and 50 letters to the local Russian embassy. Another mammoth letter writing session planned tomorrow)

While Ex-Jw's are using all their time to discuss about this and the possible things that Putin will do with these letters coming in. 5 topics in the first two pages of this forum itself!

In any scenario, whether JW's get banned or not, this situation is surely getting all the attention that it requires.

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What the "Worldly" media has to say about the proposed Russian ban of JWs

by NikL in

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interesting to read the reports from around the world.

i doubt many jws have read any of them.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-government-jehovahs-witnesses-extremist-group-lawsuit-supreme-court-a7634671.html.

russian authorities threatened to close jehovah’s witnesses administrative centre last march, when they issued a formal warning to the congregation that the “religious association will be subject to liquidation” if it failed to eliminate within two months the violations identified by the government as “extremist”.

Drearyweather

I think there are two aspects to see this issue. Persecution of religious groups is different from banning them outright.

We are correct about Pentecostals and Protestants being persecuted in Russia, but I would like to know- has Russia banned them or has it decided to outrightly ban any other Christian denomination in Russia?

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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia

by jwleaks in

jehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.

march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.

new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.

Drearyweather

sir82, regarding your comment:

Just waiting for some JWs to start in on how Jehovah must be refining the brothers, there must be some problem going on in Russia, and just as Jehovah used the Babylonians and the Assyrians to discipline his people, today he is using the Russians....

This thinking is now old light. The WT recently dunked this thought in the Nov 2016 Watchtower article:

"In the past, we said that God’s people did not have his favor during World War I because they did not preach with zeal. For this reason, we believed that Jehovah had allowed Babylon the Great to take them captive for a short time. However, faithful brothers and sisters who served God between 1914 and 1918 later explained that as a group, they did everything they could to keep preaching. A better understanding of what happened to the Bible Students during that time helps us to understand certain events recorded in the Bible"
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402016844?q=1918&p=par

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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia

by jwleaks in

jehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.

march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.

new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.

Drearyweather

jwleaks,

you mentioned: Joseph Rutherford, president of Watchtower and leader of the JWs, organized a letter writing campaign against Hitler which, more or less, personally threatened him. Interestingly Rutherford died first, in 1942, and Hitler died in 1945.

Not supporting JW's, but since you made a comparison with Hitler- More interestingly, Rutherford died in 1942, but left behind his idea and product-JW's which are numbering into millions (both in membership and $$). On the other side, in 1945, Hitler killed himself, his ideology and his Nazi party - into oblivion.

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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia

by jwleaks in

jehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.

march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.

new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.

Drearyweather

Hi tor,

Got the best idea ever, you know when you go to the card store and they have those big cards that has enough room for many people to sign....The org. can have every congregation do that...I think that's better don't you...

Buying a card and getting everyone sign on it is not the best way to show support for a cause. Anyone can buy a big card and sign with all sorts of different styles to show support. Writing and sending individual letters shows effort- even if they are copy-paste- at least you had to pay the postage for each letter.

In the end it's never about a cause it's always about the money....maybe JW's don't support the gov't in Russia but take advantage of all the benefits...just like they do here in the USA....maybe they are a burden on their society...

What exactly do you mean by supporting the govt? There are heck load of people in Russia (hundred times the number of JW's) who don't pay taxes, don't vote and thus are a burden to the society.

I think it's more about $$$, than anything else...
No need for anyone to speculate about this. Its obvious in their press release on jw.org where they say that they are going to lose their kingdom halls and their administrative office. Banning adherents from meeting together and confiscating properties have never worked and will not work. At least for JW's.