Posts by Drearyweather

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The Phonograph and the Cart

by days of future passed in

these special pioneers took the lead in the phonograph work when the society voluntarily withdrew from commercial use of the radio.. to learn of the effectiveness of this new program let's read from the 1940 yearbook, which presents the report for the 1939 service year:.

the special pioneer work was announced at the columbus convention in september, 1937, and that work has continued now for two years with good results.

when the special pioneer work began the company publishers were not convinced of the value of making back-calls and the regular daily use of the phonograph.. about 200 specially chosen pioneers throughout the country took upon themselves the responsibility of really putting to use the phonograph.

Drearyweather

Isn't it the same with the carts? All the poor people shelling out money for something that was made with volunteer labor and cheap parts

Is it? Can you elaborate?

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Why dont practicing JWS cant accept the fact that the Watchtower Corporation is a commercialized false prophet ?

by Finkelstein in

to the majority of people who investigate the activities of the wts from its beginning history there were obvious false proclamations and doctrines propagated by the wts.. a matter of fact the wts produced a long list of literature that posted proclamations on the front cover and went into detail of things that were suppose to happen, from jesus returning changing the world in which we live and so on.. wonderful things one might say but not factual or either theologically correct .

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Drearyweather

I think most JW's didn't become JW's because of the prophecy factor. And most JW's don't care now about the 1975 fiasco. If you see, all the members of the GB and majority members of all the Branch committee members across the world are those who were very well alive and may be pioneering or CO's during the 1975 period. If the ones who lived through 1975 continue to be JW's, then no matter the later generations have no problem accepting it.

For many JW's, they are convinced about their religion more than gravity. A JW may get up from his bed in the morning and ask, "What if gravity is wrong?" but will never ask, "What if the GB is wrong?"

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284000 baptized in 2017

by jw-verite in

seen in the 03/2018 watchtower study :.

"during the 2017 service year, more than 284,000 “rightly disposed” individuals symbolized their dedication to jehovah by water baptism.".

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2018/baptism-requirement-for-christians/.

Drearyweather

To lie about the stats for specific countries would involve the cooperation of numerous high-ranking JWs

True. Each country compiles its numbers on Sep 28th and sends it to the HQ by Sep end for the entire service year. Locally, Three service desk secretaries compile the number which then gets reviewed by the the Desk overseer and the subsequent branch committee member who is responsible for the Service Department.

So if the number is fudged by half a million, it would take a dozen or so branches to fudge these and many individuals from one branch will know of it when the fudged numbers get published in the yearbook. This is true for the partakers too- if they are increasing, they have to report it truthfully.

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284000 baptized in 2017

by jw-verite in

seen in the 03/2018 watchtower study :.

"during the 2017 service year, more than 284,000 “rightly disposed” individuals symbolized their dedication to jehovah by water baptism.".

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2018/baptism-requirement-for-christians/.

Drearyweather

How many are leaving every year these days?

Very difficult to know. Those calculated as leaving the JW's are not purely those who are voluntarily leaving, but also includes those who are hounded and kicked out (disfellowshipped and shunned) by JW's themselves.

Are total numbers still growing?

Total Peak numbers and Total Average numbers are increasing year on year. To show a decline, however, you need to do quite a few calculations and may be separate the african countries from the western/european countries.

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Difficulty fading out

by Emily1987 in

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friends

this is my first post on here so i apologize that it is like an essay!.

my husband and i are currently 'fading out' of the truth.

we stopped preaching in may 2016 and limited meeting attendance in january 2017 and stopped completely in june 2017. my main reason for this was my whole life i have been doing things to please others, even getting baptized to please my mum.

Drearyweather

I feel like I am still controlled by the religion even though I no longer practice it!

Technically speaking, for your local congregation, your are still a JW since you have not DA'ed or Disfellowshipped. All Jw's are aware of the fact the as soon as someone starts fading, elders will call on them. The elders will keep calling on you till the time you are there on their cards. I can feel your frustration, however, the sad part of all of this is - all of their control on us was voluntarily agreed by us during our baptism (no matter how young we were at that time)

Celebrating Christmas- we agreed not to do it while answering our baptism questions.

Authority of elders- we agreed that elders would be our overseers and that the we would walk as per the spirit directed organization of Jehovah.

A resounding YES before thousands that we are submitting ourselves to WT's control.

Its like this - If a person joins the ISIS or enters North Korea and decides to defy their rules and leave the country, there are bound to be some kind of repercussions.

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What Makes Someone Become a JW?

by minimus in

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my excuse is that i was born in the religion.

but if someone wasn’t, why would they become one?.

Drearyweather

I’m really curious about this too. Especially since when I express any doubt PIMIs tell me that educated people (scientists, doctors, lawyers, professors) are coming into the Truth, so therefore it must be true.

Any thoughts on this?

Yes, there are educated people in the JW world and educated people are getting baptized.

You need educated people to run a cult, religion, country, drug cartel and even a terrorist network. How in the world can you run any kind of an empire without any knowledge and education?

You need a perfect mix of educated, uneducated, smart, street-smart, rich and poor people to run a religion/cult.

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Court hearing of official seizure request of JW Russian property

by Listener in

i found this on facebook -.

russian automatic translation for english.attempt to seize foreign property by russian authoritiesdecember 4, 2017on december 7, 2017, at 14:00, the sestroretsky district court of st. petersburg will begin consideration of a lawsuit filed by the prosecutor's office aimed at removing a large real estate complex in st. petersburg from the "watchtower society, bibles and treatises of pennsylvania" foreign organization.we are talking about 14 buildings with an area of 33 thousand square meters, located on 10 hectares of landscaped territory in the village of solnechnoye resort area of st.

petersburg.

Drearyweather

However upon breaking Russian law

Interesting and a bit confusing. Was the transfer of the land in 2000 to the WTBS of Pennsylvania illegal? If yes, Russia took no action up till now??

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WARWICK

by Phoebe in

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as it's highly unlikely i'll ever go to warwick, i found lloyd evans latest video fascinating.

i had no idea that the whole 'museum' (if you can call it that) was so big.

notice the credit card machines by the entrance.

Drearyweather

Not only has he announced a number of leaks and is an activist but he also managed to get AMII's direct phone number and prank called him.

So may be this shows none of them at the HQ know him or if they know they don't care.

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rebuilding JW homes & insurance question

by MrRoboto in

just wondering if anyone can confirm with their own experience, but especially with any kind of documents, as to whether the org really does take insurance money from disaster victims after the rbc / ldc repairs their homes?

and what of non-jws that might get assistance from them?.

this last wt study article for me thinking, what with all that unhypocritical love the org has going on..

Drearyweather

I don't know about other countries, but in India, the branch had helped us out with rebuilding our homes during the 2004 Tsunami and other floods thereafter. So out of my experience:

whether the org really does take insurance money from disaster victims after the RBC / LDC repairs their homes?

Not here in India

And what of non-JWs that might get assistance from them?

Assistance? The locals ambushed and looted most of the relief supplies sent by the branch and other JW's. At checkpoints, police used to frisk these trucks and kept 1 out of 3 items for themselves. You can see videos of locals pulling jewelry out from the dead bodies.

I live in a city of 1.8 million people with only 150 JW's. So during a flood, by the time WT supplies reaches these JW's, thousands in between would have chewed and helped themselves from these supplies.

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284000 baptized in 2017

by jw-verite in

seen in the 03/2018 watchtower study :.

"during the 2017 service year, more than 284,000 “rightly disposed” individuals symbolized their dedication to jehovah by water baptism.".

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2018/baptism-requirement-for-christians/.

Drearyweather

It is also important to know- out of all the people who leave the JW's, how many leave out of their own and how many are kicked out or disfellowshipped by the JW's themselves.