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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

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  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  What have they done with the idea of the “hailstone message”? Have they given it a new interpretation, abandoned the idea, or just ignored what they said previously?

  It was answered in the Annual meeting by Geoffrey Jackson in his talk - “Trust in the Merciful ‘Judge of All the Earth.’” - Part 2

  What is “the end” referred to there? Well, it’s the final part of the great tribulation. So that means that during the great tribulation, the good news of the Kingdom will still be preached. And it’s still good news to us but not to the rest of the world. That good news will become more hard-hitting as time goes on, causing people to make a decision one way or the other, whether they accept the Kingdom or not.
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  "Mark" Sanderson one-ups Jackson's goatee

  by neat blue dog in

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  not sure if this was posted yet but the second gb member has been spotted with more than a mustache, and the first one going for a full beard (at about 3 minutes into the video):.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcgwkgrkh0k&pp=ygujancgymvhcmrz.

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  How can we be sure not deep fakes like the Jackson’s goatee turned out to be?

  Jackson's goatee is real. He is in India for a headquarters visit and he has that goatee, I got to see him in person in the special program. The Writing Committee helper who has come along has a full beard too.
  
  
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  JW profit from disasters

  by enoughisenough in

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  some time back i questioned about jw making money from doing relief work for disasters.

  i found this story on reddit and also noted some of the replies.

  it makes me wonder how many would have left their own jobs and paid their way, giving free labor and some supplying free materials if they had know what was going on behind the scenes.

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  Drearyweather

  I am not sure how it happens in US, but during the 2004 Tsunami, the WT in India built and repaired around 350 houses of JW's in the affected area, and almost none of them had homeowner insurance as it's not a popular form of Insurance here in India. I know because I coordinated the relief efforts during that time and was on the committee that had oversight.

  During COVID, Angola, Zimbabwe and Venezuela were provided with relief in the same way.

  I am not sure of Wt actually makes any "profit" out of disasters - whatever that means, unless there are actual numbers to prove.
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  Waiting On Jehovah First Mentioned?

  by Ron.W. in

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  yes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?

  they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?

  ?.

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  Joseph waiting in prison for Jehovah to get him out after the cupbearer who was released forgot about him.

  Micah waiting for Jehovah to correct the matters during the rule of the unfaithful and wicked King Ahaz - “I will show a waiting attitude for the God of my salvation. My God will hear me.”

  Psalmist saying that he will wait for Jehovah to correct his opposers: May those who are resisting me

  Be put to shame and perish.

  May those seeking my calamity

  Be covered with disgrace and humiliation

  But as for me, I will continue to wait;

  I will add to your praise.

  Jesus asking his followers to have a waiting attitude. “Let your loins be girded and your lamps be burning, and you yourselves be like men waiting for their master when he returns from the marriage, so that at his arriving and knocking they may at once open to him. Happy are those slaves whom the master on arriving finds watching!

  Peter asking his readers to have that attitude: “Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah!”
  
  
  
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  2024 Regional convention

  by ElderBerry in

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  can anyone answer the question about the regional convention?

  has there been 2024 all three days convention released yet?

  videos and all?.

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  This clip is not "from the last weekend" as he says, but from the last year's 2023 "Exercise Patience" Regional Convention - Last talk of Friday afternoon session, given by the branch representative.
  

  The speaker in the convention is simply explaining Matt 25:31 and saying that Jesus will sit on his judgement throne to separate the sheep and the goats in the future, and not in 1914 as once thought.

  The creator of the video is just getting confused with the semantics about Jesus becoming king in 1914 vs. sitting on his judgement throne in the future during the great tribulation.
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  Geoffrey Jackson goatiegate Part 2

  by Tahoe in

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  from ske graduation this past weekend.

  (sent from a pimi).

  from ske on zoom: .

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  Drearyweather

  The SKE? He is still in the business? Doesn't look too sad to me. Will he be restored to being a GB somebody? He is giving a talk by the looks of it.

  Are you confusing Geoffrey Jackson with Anthony Morris?
  
  
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  smiddy3 & waton - Hope they are fine

  by Drearyweather in

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  haven't heard from both of them since long.

  smiddy3 was in his 80's and waton in his 90's.

  hope they are fine.

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  Drearyweather

  Haven't heard from both of them since long. smiddy3 was in his 80's and waton in his 90's. Hope they are fine.
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  Numbers

  by moley in

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  are they fudging there numbers to make it seem that there’s no decrease .

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  Drearyweather

  You are asking this question on an ex-JW forum, so you should have an idea of what response you will get for it.
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  2023 Yearly Report UNDER the Microscope

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/pi7sn2rnrke?si=lnvklqct6nuayv2q.

  branches of jehovah’s witnesses: 85 (= down one from 86 from the previous year and quite possibly they are referring to the hong kong bethel that closed down recently).

  number of lands reporting: 239 ( =the same as 2022).

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  Drearyweather

  I think you can spin any statistics to any conclusion that you want. If the numbers increase then they are fake and if they decrease then the WT is dying.
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  Did God know adam and eve would sin?

  by gavindlt in

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  to all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..

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  Drearyweather

  if you're absolutely perfect and absolutely in the good side, not even ever are you gonna be tempted about going to the dark side.

  Angels are not absolutely perfect. If you are a created being - then you can be perfect only in a relative sense.