Balaamsass - Let me know, ditto. Your username? Love the donkey, Is it Sass or Ass, or both?
LisaRose - We'll make a plan for Berkley, this weekend or after next?
AGuest - Take Jehovah and replace the J with a Y and the V with a W. Basically similar to how a European would pronounce Jehovah. Here's some Hebrew guy talking about the difference in the sounds. Apparently he plays the flute too. I just went looking for a video for the sound. (BELOW) First time he says it he emphasizes the two different sounds to make his point (Yehowah vs. Yehovah) but it's a more natural breathing elegant. I generally practice breathing it, rather than trying to pronounce. Yeh- ow - ah as breathe in , the moment of breath caught in transition , breath out. After I realized I knew the name, suddenly I found out other people already knew too... Course that's how a search works, since the internet and Google.
The sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uaZ4NgLk0
jgnat - don't have time right now to read each link, but I scanned them. The points of why it's Yehowah over "Yahweh" begins with simply that the Hebrew poetry demonstrates a three syllable name. Also ancient versions of Hebrew theophoric names (which over time were shortened in a sort of slurring manner) were such as Yehoshua, or Yehonathan. (Others even include the "w" in an older versions still.)
- Yahweh leaves poetry not poetic, a syllable short, see David/Semitic psalms.
- Yahweh means that the name no longer has meaning, David uses "Yah" as the Hebrew short form of the whole name. The Hebrew practice is to cut out or slur away the syllables in the middle. Yahweh puts the "Yah" in the front and that's not how it's done. Compare Yehowshua to Yehoshua to Yeshua to Y'shua.
- Yahweh leaves all the theophoric names passed down to today no longer being based on the name.
Please see my link, and let me know if there are edits needed. I wrote for me, and now am sharing: http://seekyehowah.org/god/yehowah/
"This [Yehowah] is the correct pronunciation of the tetragramaton, as is clear from the pronunciation of proper names in the First Testament (FT), poetry, fifth-century Aramaic documents, Greek translations of the name in the Dead Sea Scrolls and church fathers." (George Wesley Buchanan, "The Tower of Siloam", The Expository Times 2003; 115: 37; pp. 40, 41)
AGuest - I LOVE you. Seriously. I dig this convo.
Okay, the Romanization of the Hebrews, let's not use their sound. They killed Christ, and sacked Jerusalem (the city of peace founded by God, if I recall, is the literal meaning), and then proceeded to slaughter hundreds of thousands of first-century Christians. And, Rome didn't even exist when the Hebrews were given the name. The "waw" is a "w" which when you say that letter you say literally "double - u" which is the how to pronounce the letter. For me, I kept trying to recall the variables for the name, and there I defaulted back to it's not the "four vowels" of Jospheus' description if it were "V" sound (or letter) rather than "W". Basically the letters are all right and there are different sounds which people are trying to determine the "right" right one, but they are all very similar and are breathing.
Ah Ha! Found something for you, you too Jgnat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEvdqPMvccY
I told you I'd give you a "game" AGuest, next clue. Yehudah.
"The words Jew (Yehudi in Hebrew) and Judaism (Yahadut) come from the name Judah, or Yehuda as it is pronounced in Hebrew."
AGuest, I thought you were gonna simmer on it. With love in my heart, I offer "simmer down!"
Pray honey. Don't fight me... Pray. Simmer. I didn't fight it because there was no one to fight. But I ignored it for months on months. In that time, the pieces all seemed to just be there in my mind when I was ready to consider it. I put the pieces together like a puzzle. A puzzle which has defined variables and enough pieces with which we know we can discern the answer. That's the link above. I'm open to discussion. But I'm not going to change every Jewish name passed down to today to suit your JaHVeH. Haven't you ever wondered why there were so many similar names in the scriptures? Like Yehoshaphat? (Iehoshaphat) There is a reason. He persevered it for people by giving them his name.
How do you modify Yehoshua's name to fit his name with his Father's? I know you don't use Jesus (nor do I, unless using it for common understanding). That's what got me. Jehovah had nothing to do with Jesus. All meaning was lost. So much for "the name above every other name"?
AGuest will you consider the write up I made long before I knew I'd meet you? Posted at least once above. (Seek Yehowah!) Then, will you please give me the gift of your response to that? You're giving me your "what he told me", but that doesn't mean I can do anything with that. That means I have to take your word for it. I believe before our Father does anything he reveals it through his prophets, and he has the word of God, and he gave us the Word of God to reinforce it. So I can't take your word that something is true despite who you say it comes from—otherwise I'm straight back being Watched by the Tower, stone me, please! No, you would teach me that it's the spirit who guides us into all truth, and he does that by revealing the Word of God to us. It's in there. Yes, we get by with a little help from our friends, we get validation, and study and learn together, and secular history provides some of that too... but it's about facts we can trust from sources we can trust. Not just one of us, but all of us.
xoxo
