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Why is the white race so different?

by Crazyguy in

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what i'm saying is the white race is the only one that has a verity of eye and hair colors , so what gives?

is it that this race was influenced genetically by a group of pre humans that didn't mix with other races?

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David_Jay

ShirelyW,

I am so with you on this one:

Hmm, I guess everybody played along at the KH and then went home and carried on with their own beliefs about race and politics, etc. what a fine bunch of actors the JWs are !!

In one congregation I attended, there were such fights about race that at one point the circuit overseer had to make sure there was "representation" of each race in the congregation on the elder body. As you can imagine, this meant some of the elders were not as qualified as the others (not that any that I ever recall were "qualified" to be anything more than what a high school diploma makes you ready for).

This spilled over into the congregation and there were horrible cliques created as a consequence.

When I moved down into South Texas, the Spanish congregations accused me of being what those brothers called a "vanilla wafer" since I am dark on the outside but "sound and act white." I was told constantly: "You need to be in the Spanish congregation instead of the English ones and be proud of your race as a Mexican-American."

When I told them I was Hebrew and not Mexican-American and that I spoke Ladino and not Spanish, the reply was usually something like: "Oh, I wouldn't speak that type of Spanish as people will associate you with a lower class," and "Ladino is the language of people from poor breeding."

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Best Website in the world - JWORG

by TheWonderofYou in

jw believe that jworg is the best website and most translated in the world.. i heard this today in streetservice.

there was already a thread about this subject.

anybody can link it?.

David_Jay

Darkspliver,

I never said there was a lack of technology.

I used to work as the Assistant Director of IT for the largest Catholic diocesan territory in the United States after I left the Watchtower. I have assisted in creating two sites used by the Roman Catholic Church in America. I also helped develop the current e-membership system they use today, not to mention traveled across hundreds and hundreds of miles to work with parish office personnel to instruct them on how to use it. I worked in IT from 1987-2007.

I don't get where you are coming from. My argument was always that they didn't have a desire for such a system. I merely mentioned if one can imagine how demanding it would be if there was one, not that it was impossible. I've sat on numerous meetings in the pastoral offices among bishops and clergy where the possibility of such things have been discussed.

I think you are arguing against a misreading of what I wrote. Even if I wrote one of my posts badly enough to cause this misreading of yours in the first place, my follow-up post and this one should suffice in letting you know that I have never, ever been arguing about the technological side.

If you need to know more and have actual data on what bishop, dioceses, and parishes I worked for, I will gladly put you in touch with them to verify this claim of mine. I just don't know why you're arguing about this with me over something I never said.

Chill out. I'm not the enemy here.

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Why is the white race so different?

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

what i'm saying is the white race is the only one that has a verity of eye and hair colors , so what gives?

is it that this race was influenced genetically by a group of pre humans that didn't mix with other races?

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David_Jay

Waton,

I'm not Ashkenazi. I'm Sephardic or Mizrahi. I've got a dark complexion, with Middle Eastern-Israeli features.

Because of this, the United States has actually created a new category in its "race" documents. Beginning with the 2020 USA census, a new way of categorizing people begins. My birth certificate has me marked as WHITE-HISPANIC, though I am neither. Beginning in 2020, I will be MEAD-I, which stands for "Middle-Eastern or African descent : Israeli."

I've been confused for Mexican, Cuban, Greek, Arab, but never have I passed as "white."

I consider myself an idiot, personally.

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Watchtower Magazine Covers I'd Like to See

by David_Jay in

the watchtower announcing jehovah's kingdom:.

"1914--the generation that will not pass...wait a minute.

"who really is the messiah?

David_Jay

The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom:

"1914--The Generation That Will Not Pass...Wait a minute. Where did they go?"

"Who Really Is the Messiah? Jesus or Andy Cohen--You decide."

"Why You Shouldn't Follow Uninspired, Imperfect Leaders--Unless It's the Governing Body!"

"Stephen Lett: The Full Frontal Edition"

"What's the Bible Really About? (No, really. We have no idea.)"

"The Honesty Edition: How We Brainwash People Into Believing We're Not a Cult."

"Inside: Diet tips from Geoffrey Jackson"

"You're Right. We Are a Cult!"

"1975--Oops!"

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Feigning illness to miss a meeting

by dozy in

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as jws , we all remember the thought of dragging oneself out of bed on a nice sunny sunday meeting or getting home tired after a hard day at work contemplating another boring , pointless , repetitive weekday evening meeting.. as the only legitimate reason for missing a meeting is illness , the only way for anyone to avoid a meeting that they really couldn't be bothered to go to ( ie most of them ) is to "pretend" to be ill. so given an average meeting attendance of 60% or so , invariably many people would be missing , presumed dead ( or "ill".

we used to have a congregation game of football ( soccer ) on a sunday afternoon and it always amused me how many jws who were "too ill" to attend the meeting on the morning would suddenly recover , lazarus style , to play without exhibiting any signs of the apparently near fatal acute health condition of that morning.

one of the more officious elders tried to introduce a rule that the only ones who could play would have to have been at the meeting that morning , but in practice it was very difficult to police and the better players tended to be the ones who missed most meetings.. one of the problems was the risk that some well meaning and / or nosey jw would phone up ( or even turn up , unannounced ) at the house to see "how you were" and clearly it didn't go down too well if they found you in rude health chasing the dog or kids around the garden..

David_Jay

I used to feign death to get out of meetings sometimes. It worked for a few years before those pesky Jehovah's Witnesses caught on!

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Why is the white race so different?

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

what i'm saying is the white race is the only one that has a verity of eye and hair colors , so what gives?

is it that this race was influenced genetically by a group of pre humans that didn't mix with other races?

.

David_Jay

Why is the white race so different?

This is a trick question, right? You have at least one Jew, myself, on this site, and someone is asking this kind of question.

Oy vey! Goyim. Go figure.

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If Jesus had to choose his earthly organisation NOW, who would win?

by stuckinarut2 in

we all know that the society claims that jesus invisibly chose the bible students (forerunners of jw) in 1919 to be his organization here on earth.. yet, as we know, so much of what they then taught and did was wrong according to current teaching and practice.. the reply witnesses will give is something like "they were the most sincere seekers of truth blah blah...and jesus could see their potential".

so, pretend for a moment that the current organization and the 1919 organization were both in concurrent existence at the time he invisibly came to choose.... which would he choose?

the current or former?.

David_Jay

Jwleaks,

Silly, North Korea IS the Watchtower Society. It's merely the North Korean branch.

You have to pick again.

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If you had to start life again what employment would you choose?

by Chook in

we might have a fully functional community from this forum.

David_Jay

I have my dream job now, so count me out of this one. It's hard enough to get into my industry once, the chances being near to nothing that it would happen to me again.

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If Jesus had to choose his earthly organisation NOW, who would win?

by stuckinarut2 in

we all know that the society claims that jesus invisibly chose the bible students (forerunners of jw) in 1919 to be his organization here on earth.. yet, as we know, so much of what they then taught and did was wrong according to current teaching and practice.. the reply witnesses will give is something like "they were the most sincere seekers of truth blah blah...and jesus could see their potential".

so, pretend for a moment that the current organization and the 1919 organization were both in concurrent existence at the time he invisibly came to choose.... which would he choose?

the current or former?.

David_Jay

I think this is one of the weirdest of all the Witnesses' teachings.

1. There is destined to be one true religion.

2. The religion would be picked by the Messiah in the early 1900s.

3. The Messiah would do the picking from the afterlife in heaven.

The following problems occur:

1. The Messiah concept came from the Jewish religion.

2. The Jewish religion was not chosen to be the true religion by Jesus.

3. Therefore Jesus cannot be the Messiah, and in fact the Messiah concept must be false since it originated with a religion not chosen in 1919.

4. The Governing Body claims not to be inspired of God.

5. How does a group of men who are not inspired know who and when someone from the afterlife chooses a religion to be the right one?

So if Jesus HAD to chose an earthly organization now (or at any time), the next thing I would ask is: Why?

1. If this is a teaching of any particular religion prior to Jesus picking a religion as the right one, doesn't it make this requisite moot? It would already have to be the true religion to begin with to know about this requirement and future event.

2. If Jesus doesn't pick the religion that makes this requirement mandatory, then this isn't something Jesus would ever do in the first place. This means that if Jesus would not pick that religion thus indicating that any of the others or all of the others are the right one (but would somehow prove the first one true since it was the wrong religion that taught the correct requisite), this would mean the true religion would have made a false statement of prediction making it false to begin with.

3. So Jesus would have to pick the religious organization first and somehow mark it so people could see it was chosen by Jesus in 1919 (of whenever). So the religion would have to be the chosen one first before being the chosen one.

4. The organization could claim the gift of prophecy in this case, but this would make the point of Jesus' picking them unnecessary.

So if Jesus HAD to do this, and do it NOW, which organization would Jesus pick?

It would be the one that knew in advance that Jesus was going to pick it through an invisible process before it happened and then have proof of the invisible picking once it occurred.

The religion would somehow have to validate that Judaism was once correct and used by God to develop the Messiah concept in the first place, then present evidence that it had been rejected by God and was being replaced by this new group that was being chosen invisibly.

But if it was being chosen invisibly, having proof that it was chosen invisibly would invalidate that it was chosen invisibly. If you had visible proof of an invisible choosing, then the choosing was not invisible and therefore invalid.

So, in the end, the chosen true religion would have to provide invisible proof that it was invisibly chosen by Jesus (and that it was a true requisite that this was to happen when it did and how it did).

The answer: Jehovah's Witnesses. They're the only religion to have come up with such a stupid teaching that it must be them. They win!

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What Is Brain Washing?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i don't think this applies to the watchtower corporation as the beginning this is talking about the more extreme forms.

but interesting just the same.

i'm sure we see some of the wt's depictions of death and and destruction(verbal and in pictures) that awaits those not in corporate "jehovah's" favor, a clear uses of inducing maximum fear and stress to make the mind more suggestable to corporate directives.

David_Jay

While there is no scientifically agreed upon definition, and even some debate if such a thing exists among academics, the general consensus is that "brain washing" is a means of forcing people to submit or assent to direction to change the thought processes which govern their behavior and exchange their previous convictions for a new set of views and behavior patterns.

The "forcing" part is usually by means of threat, usually of pain/torture, even death. In exchange for being guaranteed that they will be spared from the threat, the subject submits their assent to the demands of the one in control.

The assent usually involves a systematic education and training program in which the individual changes their way of thinking and acting, being educated in the discipline of fighting any threat to their new conditioning.

"Brain washing" is considered complete when the subject follows the demands of the controller even when that party is no longer present or even dead. A person who is "brain washed" may not be able to function as normally as before even after deprogramming.

Those academics which agree that the situation is real or at least possible often add that it takes an educational background in psychology to properly brain wash a subject. Others suggest some people may have learned to be manipulative enough of others to perform a similar type of "brain washing."

Other experts disagree, focusing on the fact that assent of the subject is always required to some degree, and therefore at its core no one is actually "brain washed," merely willing to give up certain freedoms to avoid the threat placed upon them.

In my humble opinion, the amount of personal assent is not the issue as much as the training that is designed to keep people from realizing the threat may not be real or that they can freely choose not to assent without suffering in some instances. When this occurs, when the threat is a lie and people are trained to fight doubt and the understanding that they can be free whenever they want, then I think "brain washing" is what we're looking at.

But until it can be established by critical methods, "brain washing" is merely hypothetical and not theoretical (which it would need to be in order to be argued about in a court of law).

David_Jay

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