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Samson kills 1,000 Philistine military men with a donkey's jawbone...I think not!

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | september 2023. study article 37. rely on jehovah, as samson did.

4 consider an example of samson’s trust in jehovah and of the support that god supplied.

on one occasion, a philistine military force had come to capture samson at lehi, evidently in judah.

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우리는 이러한 삼손의 예로부터 성서, 특히 구약 성서의 이야기가 얼마나 과장 되었는 지 추리할 수 있습니다. 따라서 모세가 이집트에 내린 10가지 재앙이나 홍해 바다를 가른 이야기들을 사실 그대로 받아들이지 말라는 성서 자체의 경고입니다. 다만, 이와 같이 과장되거나 신화적인 이야기들로부터 그 진정한 의미를 알아내는 것은 유익할 것입니다.

나아가 예수가 포도주로 변화 시킨 이야기 등은 사실이 아니라는 것을 알 수 있습니다.

We can reason from this example of Samson how exaggerated the Bible, especially the Old Testament is. So the Bible itself warns us not to take the story of Moses's 10 catastrophes against Egypt or the story of his separation of the Red Sea. However, it would be beneficial to find out the true meaning from these exaggerated or mythical stories.

Furthermore, we can see that the story that Jesus transformed into wine, etc. is not true.

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Unbelief and Salvation

by lriddle80 in

hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

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죤 칼뱅의 구원론입니다. 그의 말은 맞기도 하고 틀리기도 합니다. 참으로 구원 받은 사람, 예를 들면 예수 그리스도와 같은 사람은 영원한 구원입니다. 그러나 계시록에서는 생명책에 이름을 지우겠다고도 말합니다. 어떤 신학 관념이라 하더라도 그것은 맞기도 틀리기도 합니다. 왜냐하면 인간이 세운 이론은 진리 전체를 포괄하지 못하기 때문입니다.

It's John Calvin's theory of salvation. What he says is both right and wrong. A truly saved person, for example Jesus Christ, is eternal salvation. But the Book of Revelation also says that it will erase its name from the book of life. Any theological notion is right and wrong. Because human-built theories don't cover the whole truth.

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dailly text 6/26

by pokertopia in

become imitators of me.—1 cor.

11:1.. when paul said this, did he ask us to imitate his preach activities?

it is not a new verse that starts anew, but a verse that ends the previous chapter, so what paul says to imitate is shown in the previous chapter.

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I am asking the true meaning of Paul's words, not whether I am a witness or not.

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dailly text 6/26

by pokertopia in

become imitators of me.—1 cor.

11:1.. when paul said this, did he ask us to imitate his preach activities?

it is not a new verse that starts anew, but a verse that ends the previous chapter, so what paul says to imitate is shown in the previous chapter.

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Become imitators of me.—1 Cor. 11:1.

When Paul said this, did he ask us to imitate his preach activities? Not at all. It is not a new verse that starts anew, but a verse that ends the previous chapter, so what Paul says to imitate is shown in the previous chapter. It is about a Christian being free to make any choice, but when he makes a choice for the benifit of others, he has become a true free man and should imitate Paul himself in that respect. However, the watch tower distortedly explains to emulate preach activities. What is its practical reason?

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Ecuador jw kills baby

by carla in

from https://avoidjw.org/world/ecuador-jw-woman-locked-between-silence-murder-baby/.

and https://www.extra.ec/noticia/judicial/mujer-encerrada-silencio-asesinato-bebe-70076.html.

lett and his 'enemies of god' video has something to do with it or added to post partum?

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A pile of Watchtower publications were found in the house, but police ruled out any connection to religion

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Ecuador jw kills baby

by carla in

from https://avoidjw.org/world/ecuador-jw-woman-locked-between-silence-murder-baby/.

and https://www.extra.ec/noticia/judicial/mujer-encerrada-silencio-asesinato-bebe-70076.html.

lett and his 'enemies of god' video has something to do with it or added to post partum?

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한국에서는 이보다 훨씬 심한 사건이 일어 났다. 이 사건은 JW 가정에서 일어났다.

There has been a much worse incident in Korea. This incident happened in a JW family.

2016년 8월 19일 오전 6시경 서울시 금천구로 출근을 준비하던 구두수선공 가장이

거실 쪽이 시끄러워서 방문을 열고 나와보니 부인, 아들, 딸이 키우던 애완견 푸들이

마구 짖는 것을 보고 악령이 씌었다면서 애완견을 죽이려고 하였다.

On August 19, 2016, at around 6 a.m., the head of a shoe repair shop who was preparing to go to work in Geumcheon-gu, Seoul It was noisy in the living room, so I opened the door and found that my wife, son, and daughter had a pet poodle He tried to kill his pet dog, saying that he was possessed by an evil spirit when he saw him barking.

그 광경을 본 아버지는 이게 뭐 하는 짓이냐면서 가족들에게 화를 냈고,

그 당시 딸이 무서운 눈빛으로 아버지에게 화를 내었다고 한다.

아버지는 출근 시간도 되고 해서 별다른 조치 없이 출근을 하였다.

20분 정도 지난 오전 6시 20분에 가족이 합심해서 애완견을 살해하였고,

몸통과 머리를 분리해 머리 부분을 양동이에 넣고 삶으려고 했다.

이것이 악귀를 막으려는 행동이었다고 한다.

When he saw the scene, his father was angry with his family, asking what he was doing, At that time, it is said that the daughter was angry at her father with scary eyes. My father went to work without any action because it was time to go to work. About 20 minutes later, at 6:20 a.m., the family joined forces to kill the dog, I tried to separate the body from the head and boil the head in a bucket. It is said that this was an act to prevent evil spirits.

약 10분경이 지난 뒤 딸이 갑자기 손을 떨면서 자신의 목을 졸랐고, 이를 말리던

어머니 목을 조르기 시작한다. 이에 놀란 어머니는 애완견의 악령이 딸에게

옮겨갔다고 소리치고, 아들이 달려와 동생을 어머니에게서 떼어 화장실로 옮겼다.

이후 어머니는 아들에게 칼과 망치를 가져오라 한 다음 칼로 딸을 마구 찔렀고,아들은 망치로 옆구리와 얼굴을 마구 쳐 결국 사망에 이르게 했다. 딸이 죽자 모자는 목에 칼질을 계속하여 아예 잘라 버렸다.

About 10 minutes later, her daughter suddenly shook her hand and strangled her, and she begins to strangle her mother who was drying her teeth. Surprised by this, the mother shouted that the evil spirit of the pet dog had been transferred to her daughter, and the son ran and took the younger brother away from the mother and moved him to the bathroom. Later, the mother told her son to bring a knife and a hammer, and then stabbed her daughter with a knife, and the son hit her side and face with a hammer, eventually leading to death. When her daughter died, the hat continued to cut her neck and cut it completely.

어머니는 범행 직후 옷을 갈아입고 도주하였고, 아들은 집 안에 있다가 아버지에게 전화로

동생을 죽였다고 말하였다. 아버지는 본인이 가는 대신 친구인 장로를 보내 상황을 알아보게 했다.

그리고 지인은 화장실의 참수된 시체를 보고 바로 경찰에 신고하였고, 아들은 현장에서 체포되었다.

경찰은 사건 당일 오후 6시 반 경찰서 인근 도로에서 자수하러 온 어머니를 체포했다.

Immediately after the crime, the mother changed her clothes and ran away, and the son told his father that he had killed his younger brother by phone while inside the house. Instead of going, the father sent an Elder to find out the situation. And he saw the beheaded body in the bathroom and immediately reported it to the police, and the son was arrested at the scene. Police arrested a mother who came to turn herself in on a road near the police station at 6:30 p.m. on the day of the incident.

본 사건과 같이 가족 전체에 걸쳐 살인 등의 극단적인 행동이 나타나는 경우는 드물기 때문에,

전문가들은 공유 정신병 등을 의심하고 있으며, 가족에게 뭔가 특이사항이 있었는지를 조사했다. 추가적인 경찰 조사 결과 어머니는 결혼 전 지속적으로 신병을 앓아 왔으며,

어머니의 조모도 무속인이었고, 결혼하기 전 신병이 일시적으로 잦아들자 무속인의 길을 거부하고 결혼을 했다고 전해졌다. 또 이유는 확실치 않으나 범인과 피해자 모두 사건 5일 전부터 식사를 하지 않고 굶었다는 사실 등 종교에 의한 착란, 환각 등에 의해 이러한 사건을 벌인 것으로 추측했다.

Since it is rare for extreme actions such as murder to appear throughout the family as in this case, experts suspect shared mental illness and investigated whether there was anything unusual about the family. According to additional police investigations, the mother had been constantly ill before marriage, and her grandmother was also a shaman, and when the recruit temporarily died down before marriage, she refused to be a shaman and got married. He also speculated that the case was caused by religious confusion and hallucinations, such as the fact that both the criminal and the victim starved without eating five days before the incident.

아들의 진술에 따르면 사건 발생 10일 전 8월 9일부터 어머니의 강요에 의해 야채나 과일 등의

음식만 먹었다고 한다. 이 동안 자녀들은 배달 음식을 시켜 먹거나, 라면을 끓여먹는 등

어머니 몰래 식사를 했다. 사건 발생 5일 전 8월 15일에는 어머니가 등산을 하던 중 솔잎을 만진 순간 접신이 되는 느낌이 있었다고 한다. 그리고 사건 전날 18일 저녁부터 사건이 일어난 19일 새벽까지 자녀들과 파수대 토론을 계속했다고 한다.

According to the son's statement, he ate only vegetables and fruits due to his mother's coercion from Aug. 9, 10 days before the incident. In the meantime, the children ate without their mothers knowing, such as ordering delivery food or cooking ramen. On August 15, five days before the incident, it was said that the moment my mother touched the pine needles while hiking, I felt like I was being grafted. And it is said that he continued to discuss the watch tower with his children from the evening of the 18th the day before the incident until the dawn of the 19th when the incident took place.

체포된 어머니는 "악귀가 딸한테 든 줄 알았는데, 알고 보니 내가 악귀에 들었던 것 같다"라며

후회하고 오열하는 모습을 보였다고 한다.

The arrested mother said, "I thought the evil spirit was in my daughter, but it turned out that I was in the evil spirit," and showed regret and sobbing

2017년 4월 7일 첫 재판 결과가 나왔다. 어머니는 무죄, 아들은 징역 10년형을 선고받았다.

어머니의 심신상실이 인정받은 결과였다. 그리고 훗날 서울고등법원 형사 6부도

2017년 7월 항소심에서 살인 및 시체 훼손 등의 혐의로 기소된 어머니에게 1심과 같은 무죄를 선고하고 치료감호를 명령했다. 범행에 가담한 피해자의 친오빠에게는 징역 10년이 선고됐다.

The results of the first trial came out on April 7, 2017. The mother was acquitted and the son was sentenced to 10 years in prison. It was the result of recognition of my mother's mental and physical loss. And later, the 6th detective of the Seoul High Court In July 2017, an appeals court acquitted the mother accused of murder and body damage as in the first trial and ordered treatment and custody. The victim's brother who participated in the crime was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

친오빠는 현재 교도소에서 복역 중이며 2019년 6월 5일에 어머니 김 씨는 출소를 하여,

남편과 함께 시흥시 아파트에서 살고 있다고 한다.

His brother is currently serving time in prison, and on June 5, 2019, his mother Kim was released from prison and is said to be living in an apartment in Siheung-si with her husband.

https://youtu.be/IkFHaSVmx0o

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Why infant baptism in Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Antonio_Madaleno in

"adult baptism was not simply a question of religious dogma; it was an issue of power.

if baptism was delayed until adulthood—thus allowing a person to make a decision based on faith—some might not get baptized at all.

and individuals not baptized would, at least to a degree, remain outside the control of the church.

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새로 태어나려면 충분히 살았을 때 새로 태어나는 것이 좋습니다. 왜냐하면 너무 어릴 때 새로 태어나면 두 번째 생애의 기간이 그만큼 처음 생애의 기간과 겹쳐서 짧게 됩니다. 따라서 침례도 늦게 받을수록 좋습니다. 이것의 영적 의미는 워치 타워 교리를 충분히 검토해 볼 시간을 가진다는 것을 뜻합니다. 그러나 너무 늙으면 이 역시 지적, 영적 분별력이 줄어들므로 충분히 성인이 된 30세에 침례를 받는 것이 좋습니다. 예수도 30세에 침례를 받았습니다.

다시 태어나고 싶다면 충분히 살았을 때 다시 태어나는 것이 좋습니다. 너무 어렸을 때 거듭나면 두 번째 인생의 기간이 첫 번째 인생의 기간과 겹쳐서 짧아지기 때문입니다. 그러므로 나중에 침례를 받을수록 좋습니다. 그 영적 의미는 워치 타워 교리를 완전히 검토하는 데 시간이 걸린다는 것을 의미합니다. 그러나 너무 나이가 들면 지적, 영적 분별력이 떨어지므로 충분히 성인이 되었을 때 30세에 세례를 받는 것이 좋습니다. 예수는 30세에 침례를 받았습니다.

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The Last Days?

by ozziepost in

jw
friends

today's issue of time magazine bears the front cover headline "the last days of the taliban".. the urgency of these "last days" is re-inforced in the magazine's articles by the use of words such as "final reckoning", "last sanctuary", "rule unraveled for good", "endgame".. words and phrases such as these may seem familiar to regular readers of the watchtower magazine which regularly describes the present time as being the "last days" of this "system of things".. interestingly time describes the "last days of the taliban" as occurring just two months after the commencement of the "time of the end" for the taliban.. i wonder how many witnesses will give this some thought as they consider the watchtower's latest declaration of urgency for the last days of this system of things.

at what stage will these "last days" cease to be the last days?

can they last 100 years?

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사람들은 신을 초월적인 존재로 생각하는 경향이 있기 때문에 신의 행동 방식이 초월적이라고 생각합니다. 그러나 신은 결코 우리에게 초월적인 방식으로 관계하지 않습니다. 인간과의 거래방식은 내재적입니다. 지금 이 순간 글을 쓰는 것도 하나님의 능력이 내재적으로 우리에게 작용하기 때문에 가능한 것입니다. 성경에서 언급되는 마지막 때나, 아마겟돈 전쟁도 역시 초월적인 방식으로 일어나는 것이 아닙니다. 그것은 창 숭배를 하는 그리스도인 공동체가 하나니의 나라인 것이며 그 공동체가 점차적으로 커져서 국가의 규모를 가지게 되고 그 명분이나 능력이 막강하기 때문에 세계의 국가들은 결국 정복되는 것이며 온 지구는 하나님의 나라가 되는 것입니다. 그 과정에서 두 힘이 불가피하게 충될되는 최대의 마지막 대결을 아마겟돈 전쟁으로 묘사된 것입니다. 그러므로 워치타워의 교리를 따르는 것은 도마 복음에 나오는 비유, 여인이 밀을 지고 가다가 길에 흐르는 줄 모르고 집에 도착했을 때 보니 빈 자루만 메고 온 격이 되는 것입니다.

People tend to think of God as transcendent, so I think God's way of behaving is transcendent. But God never relates to us in a way that is transcendent. The way God does business with humans is inherent. Writing at this moment is also possible because God's ability inherently works on us. And neither the last time nor the Armageddon War that's mentioned in the Bible does it happen in a transcendent way. Because the community of the truth-worshiping Christian is God's kingdom, and the community gradually grows to have the size of the state, and the cause and ability are powerful, the world's nations are eventually conquered, and the whole earth becomes God's kingdom. The greatest final confrontation in which the two forces inevitably collide in the process is described as the Armageddon War. Therefore, following the doctrine of Watchtower is a metaphor in the Gospel of Doma, and when a woman arrives home without knowing that it flows on the road while carrying wheat, it is like carrying only an empty bag.

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Is a belief in GOD only found in the Bible ? Of course not .what about all of the other religious sects? Do they not count ???

by smiddy3 in

the world is made up of many religions christian and otherwise .. whose to say which religion is more superior than another religion ?

or has the approval of a god ?.

none that i can think of.. since humans have been on earth god has kept silent as to who represents him , if any at all..

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하느님의 왕국은 말에 있지 않고 능력에 달려 있습니다. 많은 종파들은 나름대로의 관념과 이론을 가지고 있으며 어느 정도의 사람들의 지지를 받습니다. 그러나 이 땅에 평화와 정의와 공의와 자유를 실현시킬 능력을 증명하지 못합니다. 오직 이 지상에 새로운 질서를 실제로 가져올 공동체 만이 참 숭배이며 참 조직인 것입니다. 그러한 공동체는 아직 탄생되지 않았습니다.하지만 반드시 나타날 것이며 모든 나라들 위에 우뚝 서게 될 것입니다(다니엘 2:44).

The kingdom of God is not in words, but in ability. Many sects have their own ideas and theories and are supported by some people. But it does not prove the ability to bring peace, justice and freedom to this earth. Only community that will actually bring a new order to this earth are true worship and true organization. Such a community has not yet been born. But it will surely appear and stand tall over all nations (Daniel 2:44).

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

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한 가지 예를 든다면, 아이스코어는 시대에 따른 기후 변화를 알려줍니다. 즉, 이 기후변화는 빙하기가 적어도 1만 8천 년 전에 끝났음을 알려주는데, 만일 창세기의 내용대로 지구가 물로 덮여 있었다면 그것은 기후가 온화했을 것이며, 홍수 후 비로소 기후의 변화가 일어나 추위와 더위가 교대로 반복되었을 것이기 때문에, 적어도 노아 홍수는 1만 8천 년 전에 있었다는 증거가 되는 것이며 인간은 빙하기를 거쳐 살았기 때문에 인간의 역사는 수만년 이상이 되는 것입니다.

To give one example, ice cores tell you about climate change over time. This climate change tells us that the ice age ended at least 18,000 years ago, and if the Earth had been covered with water as Genesis said, it would have been mild, and it would have been cold and hot after the flood. So at least the Noah flood is proof that it was 18,000 years ago, and human history is more than tens of thousands of years old because humans lived through the ice age.