Tallon is right. Normally, many boe's consist of 5 to 7 persons. With more and more elders getting old and those with fulltime jobs I think there will be no objection against bigger boe's practically and theocratically spoken. Regarding some egomaniacs however, I know some who like to keep power over smaller boe's.
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What happens to the elders?
by Worldling9 inwith so many khs closing and congos consolidating, what happens to the elders?
clearly there won't be a place for all of them.
would the older ones be the first to go, losing their long held positions of 'power'?.
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Another "good" elder might be getting the axe....
by humblepotato inso our congregation is full of hardliner elders, 3 of them, who are not gentle, kind or loving.. people have either moved away or quit trying because one elder inparticular was going to drive them crazy with all his rules and nit picking and being righteous over much.
(and he is pissed that he hasn't been accepted to the school.
hmmm, i wonder why!).
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redpilltwice
Sorry for him, but I guess in the end only the loyalists will remain. More cultish, less human seems to have jah's blessing.
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Today I Dropped In To Field Service Meeting
by pale.emperor ini just dropped my daughter off to her mum at her parents house.
it was 12pm and i knew they meet for feild service there but my ex and i assumed they would still be out knocking on doors.
i pull up in the street and there's quite a few cars parked up and the house was backed with jdubs from my old congregation.
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redpilltwice
Wow, well done pale! It's very telling that acting normal is upsetting them. Children are wise and under your guidance it's to be expected that your daughter won't be fooled.
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Dinner plans canceled because "I need to talk to the elders". Huh?
by Darkknight757 inso this past week the wife and i have received several phone calls and text messages from our old hall.
we were also invited out to dinner to catch up with some old friends.
an hour before dinner this guys wife messaged my wife and said that she "can't wait for tonight!!
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redpilltwice
Welcome to the spiritual paradise... rude indeed! And remember that in paradise, these guys will be ruling as princes for justice itself.
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Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz
by Disassociated Lady 2 inthis book has been recommended to me a few times.
is it worth reading?.
how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?
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redpilltwice
A must read...it saved about 1,000,000 souls and counting. I read it during my fade, 20 years too late. I'm sure you already know how to get it "cheap" by now.
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Going To A Christening Next Week
by pale.emperor inso my girlfriends, friend has invited me to her little boy's christening.
6 months ago if you'd asked me this i'd have recoiled in horror.
in a catholic church?!!!
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pale.emperor, what an experience for someone who has never been inside a church! Fun it'll be!
I've always been a lame Catholic before my 20 year JW period. During my fade I visited a catholic church twice, mostly because of my mother-in-law who needed a driver. I tell you, it felt refreshing to hear nothing about doom, the last days, the big A etc. All nice, almost entirely elderly people. The benefit for the CC is that they don't do (modern day) prophecies. No prophecy = no false prophecy. Simple as that. There were a few bibleverses from Isaiah and the gospel and some pleasant social reflections. The atmosphere was sincere and humble, no big crosses or excessive luxury and even room for coffee and chats after the mass. It reminded me of some cosy field service meetings in the KH on sundays, but without field service lol.
If it wasn't for the Holy Mary crap, the vatican and the special position of saints and martyrs, I would consider something like a monthly visit, but I must be honest to myself and the reasons why I left JW.
Of course, I still can use my mother-in-law as an excuse now and then.
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A JW Calling Down Evil Upon Others!
by Divergent in.
stash: /intesoft-inc.appspot.com/post/0185f744fb5e464488b296f2b74e4ccd.html
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redpilltwice
Indoctrination is such a bitch!
She (Priscilla) looks young... probably full of expectation for the end to come soon (sigh..."soon" since 1879) but maybe she will be the one crying as she grows old, frustrated and probably robbed of her "silver and gold" in this current system of things.
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Been witnessing today - first time in over 2 years!!
by The Searcher inand it felt wonderful!!.
i went into the city to where i knew there was a "cosmopolitan witnessing" trolley, because i wanted to ask a simple bible-based question.
the trolley was attended by an elder and a sister who was another elder's wife.
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redpilltwice
Good job searcher! You should do some more witnessing.
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Introduction
by robrog8999 inhello all.... i am new here so i figured i'd make a quick post introducing myself and giving a brief intro as to who i am and what i'm here for... as well as to hopefully meet others.. so, i made a profile and in it i gave a pretty detailed explanation as to my intent here and exactly why i decided to participate in the boards.
in case you don't read it, i'll give a brief summary.
the name is robert.
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redpilltwice
Welcome here and thanks for introducing yourself. I agree with freddo given the fact that all religions fail to be 100% correct regarding doctrine and prophecy, but after reading your story, a few things come to my mind. Regarding both JW and LDS, you might find it useful to check out some experiences of long time member slimboyfat. Just search and read. Also, the recently posted topic "Who has the authority to decern [sic] what the bible really teaches" had some interesting comments about personal interpretation. Enjoy the forum!
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Salvation Army Apology Video Regards to ARC
by LevelThePlayingField inif only the gb did this!
notice how in this 2 minute video he says that he says he "accepts that abuse has happened" and offers an "unreserved apology" and "will not defend this failure on our part".
he said he is personally available to meet with survivors and to offer a personal apology.
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redpilltwice
He said he is personally available to meet with survivors and to offer a personal apology.
Oh the contrast!
From http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/12-things-we-learned-from-geoffrey-jacksons-testimony-at-the-royal-commission :
Another clue that Jackson is less than preoccupied with concern for the welfare of sex abuse victims can be found in his ignorance of the earlier testimony of BCG.
When asked by BCG’s lawyer whether he’d read her client’s evidence, Jackson replied: “I haven’t, I’m sorry. The reason I came here [to Australia] was to care for my ailing father, and that has taken a lot of my time. Plus, I wasn’t aware of the fact that I would be called before the Commission.”
At first glance this may sound like a reasonable excuse, but a disparity soon emerges when you consider the multiple occasions on which Jackson referred to the previous testimony of his own Watchtower representatives – something he somehow HAD found the time to brush up on despite caring for his father (bold is mine)…
- “But if I could mention, some of the reports that you have considered are from 25 years ago, and if I understand correctly, from what little I heard of the Commission in the last few days, Mr Spinks very accurately described that there has been more of an awareness of Jehovah’s Witnesses to make sure that any victim who has been a victim of a horrible crime is not required to actually go before three men.”
- “If I understand your question correctly, from what I have heard from Mr Spinks’ testimony, that is not something that we require now.”
- “Thank you for the opportunity to explain this. I think very clearly Mr Toole pointed out that if the Australian Government, in all the States, was to make mandatory reporting, it would make it so much easier for us.”
- “Could I explain, Mr Stewart, that ‐ you see, I think already under testimony some of Jehovah’s Witnesses have explained that the two‐witnesses needed can be, in some cases, the circumstances.”
Therefore, Jackson HAD taken time out to research previous evidence in the commission. He was just very selective about whose evidence he listened to, and seemingly had a preference for brushing up on what Watchtower representatives had to say rather than child abuse victims.
Another telling moment came when BCG’s clearly-exasperated lawyer expressed her dismay at Monica Applewhite’s evidence as paid for by Watchtower, which seems to have been roundly dismissed as one-sided and non-credible by the Commission.
“It is really disheartening for the survivors that evidence from people such as Dr Applewhite, without any reference whatsoever to the victims ‘experience, suggests to them that the reason for engaging experts is… more to do with the reputation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses than any real attempt to get to a deep understanding of their experience.”
In response to what was, again, more of an appeal to his humanity, Jackson replied…
“I certainly hope that is not the case, and that certainly was not the intent of it. So please, be assured that we are interested in the individuals such as the client that you are representing. And may I take this opportunity, I don’t know your client, but please, could you convey an expression of my love and concern and reassure her that obviously she has had an opportunity to speak about how she feels, and hopefully this will help the policies and procedures to improve.”
So, not only had Jackson failed to find time to research the testimony of victims of child abuse within his organization, despite somehow finding time to listen to the testimony of Watchtower representatives Rodney Spinks and Vincent Toole. Jackson had also thrown away an opportunity to show compassion by admitting that the deployment of “expert for hire” Monica Applewhite was in poor taste from the point of view of the victims. And to add insult to injury, he was now issuing instructions to BCG’s lawyer to act as a go-between with her client.
My response, had I been on the receiving end of this request, would have been: “I take instructions from BCG – not you, Mr Jackson. I’m sure if you really care about BCG and her situation, you will find the time and means to convey that message to her yourself in person.”