That is very profound and yes I think on a subconscious level this is the case. They are frightened that the GB are not Gods channel on Earth. Some family members say “so what do they believe now?”
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Just had a thought…
by Vidiot ini been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….
…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….
…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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ElderBerry
In his latest interview they talk about the unofficial audio of Crisis of Conscience.
He makes a creepy laugh and says “the copyright holder didn’t like that” DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT LLOYD? After everything that happened and you trying to break the law and steal from the copyright holder?
well of course a law abiding person does not like someone breaking the law, why would any decent law abiding person have a problem with that? Unless you have no conscience Lloyd.
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Will Covid 19 deaths exceed 'flu deaths in the U.K.?
by BoogerMan ini hope not.
thankfully, c19 appears to be waning as the summer comes in.. 2017/18 'flu deaths: england & wales = 50,100, scotland - 23,137, & n.i.
- 1500. total = 74,637.
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ElderBerry
Now when someone has cold like symptoms people say “I hope it’s only covid and not the real flu”
If you have flu then you are so I’ll that you can crawl outside to pick up a $20 bill.
anyway either flu disappeared for a couple of years or all those covid deaths were actually flu
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Covid Vx likened to Jesus ransom
by KerryKing inthis morning i decided to log into the local cong meeting on zoom, during the public talk the speaker likened the covid vx to jesus ransom sacrifice, saying that those who didn't avail of the vx, the 'anti vaxxers', are just like people who refuse to put faith in jesus.. i felt sick, knowing my unvxed but active jw parents were sitting there, i logged off immediately.
surely such talk is pure blasphemy or am i just over reacting?!.
i appreciate your thoughts, it will hopefully help me to approach my jw family with facts and logic, i'm praying they wake up fully and 'get out of her', i know they have reservations that's why they refused the vx..
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ElderBerry
When you say antivaxers do you mean those sensible people who were not convinced this new experimental covid injection was safe for humans?
Until they could be convinced it was safe they chose not to have any injected into them.
If that is who you were referring to then yes I am one of them but I do not consider myself an anti- vaxer. If I can be convinced this new experimental shot is safe for humans I would take it. Unfortunately the more time goes on the more excess deaths show it is definitely not safe for humans. It should be withdrawn immediately.
I am not an anti vaxer, I agree with the principle of a vaccine to introduce a tiny amount of the virus for the body to build a defence. The covid injection is not a vaccine, even though they tried to change the definition of what a vaccine is.
Covid19 has still not ever been purified and isolated.
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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations
by IWant2Know ini would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?
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road to nowhere21 hours ago
Morality comes down to logic. (Thanks spock)
Religion comes from a need for hope.
Like many pimo's I am becoming an agnostic.
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Road to nowhere this is me too. On Reddit many PIMOs are turning to agnostic so they can still have hope.
Im also PIMA because I hope there is something better than it was all just blind chance.
You could be agnostic and a PIMI. Physically in but open to the possibility that what the GB teach is wrong, either partly or mostly.
I think most PIMIs think the GB maybe wrong on some things otherwise there would never be new lite ever again.
Some Physically still in like me think the GB are wrong about most things perhaps everything if there is no God and the Bible is just another book.
but it’s a great way of life so it’s worth staying PIMA
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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations
by IWant2Know ini would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?
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ElderBerry
Who is to say if any interpretation is correct. Maybe Watchtower is run by max men or maybe the Bible was written by mad men in the fist place.
I remember learning that JWs are the only ones who interpret Michael the archangel to be Jesus. They purely say who else could throw Satan out of heaven.
Everything comes down to interpretation. Maybe we are interpreting the entire Bible wrong. I actually wonder if it’s even possible to be interpreted correctly? Now there is a question?
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JWLITE
by Teddnzo ineven elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
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ElderBerry
“PIMOs should be on guard!! The fact that they KNOW of this New Lite would be incriminating if they mention it to the wrong person!”
There is definitely talk going round that there are some big updated understandings!
How would anyone know this if it’s not from leaked videos originally?
I hear talk about how this AGM surpasses 2013 one with the new Bible. They said that in unreleased parts of the AGM, so how would rank and file know this? Unless it’s just from those who were actually there?
I’m looking forward to the December broadcast and see if they do decide to release the talks about last minute repentance and then see what the rank and file make of it all?
SO NOW THERE IS NO NEED TO REMAIN A PIMI JW, JUST BE PIMO THEN WAIT AND SEE YOU CAN ALWAYS RETURN IF THEY WERE RIGHT!
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JWLITE
by Teddnzo ineven elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
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ElderBerry
I doubt anyone would bother deep faking the GB they are nobody special. If JW apologists say they were deep fakes it would be easy to prove no they really did say that.
December broadcast will be part 2 of the AGM so it will be interesting to see what they decide to show. This will be the time when many more could wake up.
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JWLITE
by Teddnzo ineven elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
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ElderBerry
Vidiot, the rank and file still don’t know the new lite unless they frequent apostate websites.
November broadcast showed a couple of boring talks that didn’t really say anything that was part 1 of the AGM and the order of talks was out of place.
I suspect they are thinking very carefully now about wether to actually release the other talks from the AGM at all, this is why they were not shown on November broadcast. They were taken out as there are almost certainly discussions about the first talk by one of the new members of the GB about how they get new lite.
Then the other talks with new lite about last minute repentance, this was the ground breaking new lite that means nothing else matters anymore. You don’t have to stay physically in you could wait and see if the GB were right after all.
The only ones who know about this new lite are those who were at the AGM or naughty apostates who watched the leaked footage.
Would not surprise me if they do a U turn on that for those who saw it and just pretend they never said that for those who didn’t see that.
Trouble is the internet is a forever machine, once you say something and it’s recorded online you can never ever claim you never said it.
I do hope one of the good YouTubers does an in depth comparison of the leaked AGM and what they release in all the parts in the Broadcasts.
It’s the parts they leave out are always the most interesting. I remember a few time they edited out the first leaked videos to what is actually shown in the broadcast
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BREAKING NEWS | Highlights of 2023 Worldwide Service Year Report
by Drearyweather inbreaking news | highlights of 2023 worldwide service year report.
on november 15, 2023, the service committee of the governing body shared highlights of the 2023 worldwide service year report with the bethel family.
the following exciting increases were announced: baptisms: during the 2023 service year, 269,517 persons were baptized.
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ElderBerry
I would love to see a comparison chart of PIMIs vs PIMO and POMOs. They are obviously obverse as PIMIs slowly become PIMQ then PIMO.
One chart is going down dramatically and the other going up at a parabolic rate.
After this years AGM shocking new lite that you would be fine to sit on the fence or even leave entirely and have a last min change to join JWs again if it seemed like they were correct.
The GB took a big gamble with the changes at this years AGM. By dropping the reporting requirements they will get the rapidly growing number of inactive ones back on the active list, very clever when you think about it.
But on the other hand there could be this growing feeling that it all doesn’t matter anyway if you can do last minute repentance.