Anony has anyone ever put together a list of JW doctrines and where they came from before Russel said they were his ideas?
I would like to see again the pre JW idea of 607 77weeks to 1914
ElderBerry
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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations
by IWant2Know ini would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?
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ElderBerry
If Jackson really had a beard there would surely be more photos leaked?
I think it’s a fake picture but a good one
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General Amnesty For Disfellowshipped
by NotFormer infuture gb: "please come back!
all is forgiven!".
would it work?
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ElderBerry
No Zombie that is happening to an extent with JWlite. We are making our own religion and can still use all the infrastructure already in place.
Ignore all the GB and their helpers and make your own mind up. Just be subtle about it.
Im sitting in my lawn chair watching the org crumble and it’s going to be better having ring side seats. That’s why I’m staying physically in to an extent but it’s pretty obvious to anyone that I’m mentally questioning or mentally out.
Im the perfect example of a Jwlitalite. I even say it to peoples faces that I think the GB may be wrong about the vaccine and many other things including 1914. In the past PIMOs would have been to scared to voice this out loud but things have changed to such an extent these days.
Forget bethelites, young ones should want to be JWlitelites when they grow up!!!
There are many many who ignore the shunning direction and have family and friends association who the GB say should be shunned.
So if they relax it they will find many have been doing the new relaxed way anyway. This is happening all the time now, look at all the brothers with beards already. It’s like the GB are trying to catch up and pretend they thought of it first.
Same with not shunning anymore, loads are doing it anyway and soon the GB will try to catch up with Jehovah’s chariot and come and say you don’t need to shun anymore. Then Steve will come and and tell everybody how they should feel, “some may be feeling vindicated as you have been doing this all along” is that correct? “Not really”
this is exactly what happened with beards
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Hotels for convention
by ElderBerry ina department in bethel wants to try to make money from regional conventions by asking local hotels if they will give a special rate and a coupon code to give to jws.. .
they should just keep it simple and not be greedy for dishonest gain.. .
this year some convention sites the hotels said no thank you i think the jws are going to book with us anyway.
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ElderBerry
I’m going this year just to see how many beards there will be.
But actually it’s really great to catch up with old friends. I don’t spend that much time sitting listening to the program
it’s interesting asking a few key questions to get an idea who is on the way to being PIMQ or who is already way past it and now PIMO
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Has there been a change in how society counts publishers?
by Hellothere injust made a fast check on yearly watchtower report.
bulgaria numbers 2022 was +1.
for 2023 they + 4. uruguay for 2022.
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ElderBerry
I’m sure the new way of counting will give a boost to the numbers
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General Amnesty For Disfellowshipped
by NotFormer infuture gb: "please come back!
all is forgiven!".
would it work?
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ElderBerry
Message to those in Bethel service desk lurking on here.
The reinstatement process needs to be made easier.
Its too long and too difficult and the elders have too much power.
An easy solution to stem the bleeding and have a little blood transfusion (excuse the illustration) is to have it easy for someone to return. All they need to say is that they are sorry and that is enough, don’t have elder’s decided if they are really sorry or not.
This same new light should apply before someone is announced as disfellowshiped, if they say they are sorry that is enough. Don’t give power to elders to decide if they are genuine or not.
I remember stories of Elders where power went to their head and asked different ones to jump through hoops to show they were really sorry. Giving up jobs, moving to other areas or travelling far to old congregations for several months sitting at the back not being allowed to talk to anyone. This was a power trip for the elders. This madness needs to stop.
One sister I know was so finding it hard being shunned by family and friends she said I will do whatever it takes to be reinstated. She had to travel a long way after work to this other congregation where she was dissed. Even then it took about a year of sitting at the back not talking to anyone and feeling shame and made to feel dirty and unvalued.
No wonder there is such a high case of suicide. No wonder the recent changes in the Elders book not to diss someone if they may be suicidal.
Next change should be so simple, if they say they are sorry that is enough. Either before or after dissed. This should stem the bleeding and put a bit of blood back in.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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ElderBerry
Doesn’t he realise he has to keep the channel going as it’s his only income? He lives in a country that he never bothered to learn the language after a decade and a half, he is not going to be able to get a job there. Why is not putting any effort into his channel apart from half hearted seldom videos
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General Amnesty For Disfellowshipped
by NotFormer infuture gb: "please come back!
all is forgiven!".
would it work?
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ElderBerry
There have been a few times in the past where a special effort has been made to get people to return to Jehovah. Elders have been asked to contact all who have left.
We know the branch read all these sites so yes this could put the idea to the GB, especially now with the two new more lenient members.
Have some new light on those who have left, just like the prodigal son. I can imagine one of them coming out with “In times last we have not talked to these ones, is that really the right thing to do?” “We can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”
what these ones need is love, and understanding and show them how pleased Jehovah will be if they return to him just like the prodigal son.
No zombie I love this, I hope this suggestion Gets to the new GB
WatchTower study articular discussing Disfellowshipping, introducing a comment like ... "should a disfellowshiped person be separated from the truth for some years, it is likely they have suffered immensely being in the world and are already in a repentfull condition. Like the prodigal son, should not an extraordinary measure of forgiveness by congregational Elders be shown, when they consider the nearness of the Great Tribulation" ... or words that effect.
Imagine all the parents of disfellowshiped children that night, they'd be hot on the phone to their wayward kids.
Tie this all to confidential letter the body of Elders ... boom ... an easy in.
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Hotels for convention
by ElderBerry ina department in bethel wants to try to make money from regional conventions by asking local hotels if they will give a special rate and a coupon code to give to jws.. .
they should just keep it simple and not be greedy for dishonest gain.. .
this year some convention sites the hotels said no thank you i think the jws are going to book with us anyway.
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ElderBerry
Talking to a few about their plans for 2024 regional convention, the hotels that Bethel will earn commission are further away and more expensive than the close nicer hotels to the venue. The close hotels said no to Bethel as they feel witnesses will book them anyway as they are walking distance to the venue.
The hotels Bethel will earn money from are so far away you would have to get a taxi or pay for parking which is very expensive I wouldn’t be surprised if Bethel are trying to make a profit on that as well.
We had a very strong letter read out to all congregations saying please don’t book the hotels that refuse to pay Bethel as it will weaken their negotiating power in the future, Duh! Yeah Bethel why not stay out of it and stop being greedy. If someone wants to make their own plans then stay out of it.
I swear some brothers in Bethel have nothing to do and want to make things up to justify their staying in Bethel.
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ElderBerry
Yes it should be breaking news banner at the top
of the site.
very interesting that it is a goatee beard and not a full beard.
Does anyone know when was the last time he was seen clean shaven?