Posts by ElderBerry

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JWLITE

by Teddnzo in

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even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

ElderBerry

What would happen if the vast majority slowly becomes JWLITE? Perhaps this is already happening.

To leave entirely is not necessarily the best option, now that the option of staying in JWLITE is on the table.

It would be great if there was a secret code or something that someone could drop into conversation without risking getting called into the back rooms

A code for example “I love the new light at the 2023 AGM about last minute repentance” this could be all you need to say then someone else who decided JWLITE is the best way would say back “yes it’s encouraging how Jehovahs chariot is on the move”

this could be the secret code PIMOs show each other that they are in the know.

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

ElderBerry

I do see many more slowly becoming PIMO JWLITE

just look how many brothers are not bothered about ‘reaching out’

they are lowering the age and other requirements but still so many are saying “no thanks” when elders tell them that they really should be reaching out to be a ministerial servant

To leave entirely is not necessarily the best option, now that the option of staying in JWLITE is on the table.

It would be great if there was a secret code or something that someone could drop into conversation without risking getting called into the back rooms

A code for example “I love the new light at the 2023 AGM about last minute repentance” this could be all you need to say then someone else who decided JWLITE is the best way would say back “yes it’s encouraging how Jehovahs chariot is on the move”

this could be the secret code PIMOs show each other that they are in the know.

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

ElderBerry

The Cypher character in the Matrix is so interesting. He wishes he could go back and take the blue pill as he thought ignorance is bliss. He chose to do his best now for the situation he was in.

This is where JWLITE come in. For many JWs who don’t believe the GB anymore it’s too late and they wish they didn’t get red killed to the GB being wrong, they can’t go back and take the blue pill which would mean carrying on believing the GB were chosen by Jesus in 1919.

Is there a way to take the red pill and live as if you took the blue pill? Yes there is, it’s called JWLITE 👏

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Still no U turn on vax mandates for all schools

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

you still have to be fully vaccinated to attend any theocratic schools.

elders and ministerial servants have their kingdom ministry school every year, the cobe of every congregation has to check that everyone is fully vaccinated.

after the school everyone will ask any bothers who were not there why not?

ElderBerry

Absolutely, we are seeing this all over.

”The U.S. Army is telling unvaccinated former soldiers who were kicked out of the military for refusing to receive a COVID-19 vaccine that they can potentially rejoin the force, as the military

struggles to draw new recruits.”

Miners were given a choice no jab no job. Most refused the toxic jabs and lost their jobs. The mines had to slow down and now begging the unvaxed to come back.

Same with doctors, nurses in fact in the UK anyone in the health industry were given the choice no jab no job. Now they are begging the unvaccinated to come back to work.

Will it be the same with unvaccinated Elders who were not allowed to go to elders schools? Time will tell but we know the GB are stubborn as mules

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

ElderBerry

“When doubts manifest, one of the possible reactions is to double down and dig in. The more you do that, the more sunk the cost gets. “

This is so true with so many things. Those who took the vax multiple times don’t want to take the red pill that it’s harming them, they prefer the blue pill that it is safe for humans.

JWs who have invested years even decades to the Borg don’t want to take the red pill because it’s terrifying. The blue pill is the easy option and even if on a subconscious level they know they are taking the blue pill they lock that away in their brains never to be opened

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

ElderBerry

That is very profound and yes I think on a subconscious level this is the case. They are frightened that the GB are not Gods channel on Earth. Some family members say “so what do they believe now?”

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

ElderBerry

In his latest interview they talk about the unofficial audio of Crisis of Conscience.

He makes a creepy laugh and says “the copyright holder didn’t like that” DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT LLOYD? After everything that happened and you trying to break the law and steal from the copyright holder?

well of course a law abiding person does not like someone breaking the law, why would any decent law abiding person have a problem with that? Unless you have no conscience Lloyd.

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Will Covid 19 deaths exceed 'flu deaths in the U.K.?

by BoogerMan in

i hope not.

thankfully, c19 appears to be waning as the summer comes in.. 2017/18 'flu deaths: england & wales = 50,100, scotland - 23,137, & n.i.

- 1500. total = 74,637.

ElderBerry

Now when someone has cold like symptoms people say “I hope it’s only covid and not the real flu”

If you have flu then you are so I’ll that you can crawl outside to pick up a $20 bill.

anyway either flu disappeared for a couple of years or all those covid deaths were actually flu

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Covid Vx likened to Jesus ransom

by KerryKing in

this morning i decided to log into the local cong meeting on zoom, during the public talk the speaker likened the covid vx to jesus ransom sacrifice, saying that those who didn't avail of the vx, the 'anti vaxxers', are just like people who refuse to put faith in jesus.. i felt sick, knowing my unvxed but active jw parents were sitting there, i logged off immediately.

surely such talk is pure blasphemy or am i just over reacting?!.

i appreciate your thoughts, it will hopefully help me to approach my jw family with facts and logic, i'm praying they wake up fully and 'get out of her', i know they have reservations that's why they refused the vx..

ElderBerry

When you say antivaxers do you mean those sensible people who were not convinced this new experimental covid injection was safe for humans?

Until they could be convinced it was safe they chose not to have any injected into them.

If that is who you were referring to then yes I am one of them but I do not consider myself an anti- vaxer. If I can be convinced this new experimental shot is safe for humans I would take it. Unfortunately the more time goes on the more excess deaths show it is definitely not safe for humans. It should be withdrawn immediately.

I am not an anti vaxer, I agree with the principle of a vaccine to introduce a tiny amount of the virus for the body to build a defence. The covid injection is not a vaccine, even though they tried to change the definition of what a vaccine is.

Covid19 has still not ever been purified and isolated.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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ElderBerry

road to nowhere21 hours ago

Morality comes down to logic. (Thanks spock)

Religion comes from a need for hope.

Like many pimo's I am becoming an agnostic.

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Road to nowhere this is me too. On Reddit many PIMOs are turning to agnostic so they can still have hope.

Im also PIMA because I hope there is something better than it was all just blind chance.

You could be agnostic and a PIMI. Physically in but open to the possibility that what the GB teach is wrong, either partly or mostly.

I think most PIMIs think the GB maybe wrong on some things otherwise there would never be new lite ever again.

Some Physically still in like me think the GB are wrong about most things perhaps everything if there is no God and the Bible is just another book.

but it’s a great way of life so it’s worth staying PIMA