Posts by ElderBerry

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

ElderBerry

So is there still a difference between disassociation and DF’ing? With all these changes not anywhere in the new guidelines does it mention disassociation?

The changes can be summed up in two words- soft touch.

Soft touch in getting DFed in the first place, it’s a lot less likely to happen and even if it does happen it’s only for 90 days then easy to get reinstated. During that 90 days people will still talk to you anyway

so definitely soft touch describes the changes.

there is no more fear of being shunned like there used to be.

if you have a meeting with a few elders and they decide you will be DFed then you can ask for an appeal committee. If you tell them you are repentant and won’t do it again they can overturn the original decision.

So it seems to me it’s very unlikely anyone will be DFed ever again. And in the worst case it does happen it’s only for 90days. There is no need to ask to be reinstated the elders will chase you and try to talk you into agreeing to be reinstated.

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90 DAY DISFELLOWSHIPPING!!!

by DisgruntledFool in

has anyone else caught this tidbit in the new s-395 instructions?:.

"if the individual is not an apostate or actively promoting wrongdoing, they will also inform him that they would like to meet with him again in three months to determine if he has had a change of heart.

in some cases, but not all, the committee may determine that there is basis for reinstating the individual at that time".

ElderBerry

So you could commit immorality and they disfellowship you

9o days later you can be reinstated

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s-395 Adjustments-to-handling-serious-wrongdoing-in-the-congregation

by gavindlt in

this was posted on jw leaks.. my truth's | dad seeking truth.

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ElderBerry

It sounds like they are doing everything they can to stop anyone ever getting df’ed.

wait 90 days and talk them into just saying they are repentant then almost zero df’ed from now on

also big push to get DF’ed to come back

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s-395 Adjustments-to-handling-serious-wrongdoing-in-the-congregation

by gavindlt in

this was posted on jw leaks.. my truth's | dad seeking truth.

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ElderBerry

Where is the bit about 90 day?

what does it say exactly?

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GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

summary: .

ElderBerry

recent (alleged) Bethel insider claims that the Org - or their lawyers, really - fully expect the Pedo Database to be exposed to the public, sooner rather than later.

We will see if Ted Jarez was on there, if so that will be the end the tower will fall

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2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

by Witness 007 in

1914 generation is long gone.

1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

ElderBerry

The Wt went from saying before 1914 that Christs return was near to: Christ returned INVISIBLY in 1914

Now they say Jesus was enthroned in 1914 but they are not sure if he has actually sat on his throne.

They will have to release new light on this soon as we are getting too far from 1914?

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The Jehovah's Witness religion has ''Jumped the Shark''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

what does jump the shark mean?.

the phrase “jump the shark” is a term in pop culture that originated from the tv show “happy days” and is used to describe a decline in quality.

it refers to the moment when a tv show or other product has reached its peak and starts to decline in quality.

ElderBerry

They have definitely reached and past the jump the shark moment and it hasn’t worked.

new light on beards, easier to survive Armageddon, no more reporting hours. All this and more was the desperation attempt to revamp the religion just like the jump the shark was a desperate attempt to save the show.

now it seems hardly any kids are even getting baptised these days. It seems they have to get them pre teen to be unbaptised publishers and then get them baptised before they have the mental capacity to think for themselves

If kids get old enough past a certain point then they won’t want to get baptised

this is happening and it’s great to see

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

ElderBerry

It seems hardly any kids are even getting baptised these days. It seems they have to get them pre teen to be unbaptised publishers and then get them baptised before they have the mental capacity to think for themselves

If kids get old enough past a certain point then they won’t want to get baptised

this is happening and it’s great to see

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JWlite like being a Trekkie. You know it’s fictional

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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friends

i now view jwlite like the trekkie conventions.

star trek is fiction and all the fans know this full well.

but they find it beneficial.

ElderBerry

In this series of videos Smurf girl says her family went to Trekkie parties with members of the GB. Tony liked to dress up as captain and she claims to have pictures of Star Trek lap dancing

https://youtu.be/vyD64dX5JQc?si=SxAi9qLFxRyq_j8h

lots of COs used to like watching Star Trek in the evenings while being given all the best food and drink.

because the COs watched it, many others would watch it as an example of suitable entertainment and would talk of in the new world jehovah may let us explore other planets. How else could humanity keep having kids living forever and not be overcrowded?

the illustration about going along with it even though you know it’s not true is very fitting and yes the Borg is very apt

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The Reasoning Book

by Magnum in

the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

ElderBerry

Yes I had one bound in my Bible

a sister in Bethel did for £16

yes this just shows the drastic difference today. Most JWs don’t actually talk about Bible interpretation or anything like that. Not told to reason on the scriptures anymore these days.

it’s all about look at the website

But the even larger change is that not much door to door work is done anymore. Sat morning is just a social get together with informal witnessing an excuse for a walk around shops or park, the directions are these days just try to chat to people not even trying to talk about the Bible or anything.

then the coffee break at someone’s home and we all take it in turns, everyone brings something often homemade.

it really is just an excuse for a social club and the doing away with the reasoning book is just more proof.

I honestly dont mind I prefer the org these days compared to what it used to be. These days many are choosing JWlite and ignoring all the calls asking “can you do even more” the answer is yes we probably all could but we don’t believe anymore