magotan - you are powerfull indeed. And you will become more powerfull with every day you'll live outside the cult. It's painfull, it hurts, sometimes it brings you to the edge of your physicall and mental habilities. But the power of reason will be at your hand as long as you don't let it go.
Borges
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my worst fears were realized
by magotan inim on my phone, so im really limited.
i came out to my family about my doubts and my sexuality.
shit hit the fan.
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Misquotes, Lies and deception in Watchtower Publications
by jwfacts ini have just finished an article misquotes, deception and lies and would like your comments, proof reading, and any other examples that you think are important to add.
most of these already appear on jwfacts.com within specific articles, but it is more powerful seeing them included together.
there have also been a number of requests over the years for such a collection.
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Borges
Great article! Thank you jwfacts.
For me your site was, together with Alan Feuerbachers articles about the flood, the biggest help to release myself from four decades of indoctrination.
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Carnival of the god forsaken
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as it is carnival season in germany and the daughter of my girl-friend is in a dance group that performs at carnival sessions, we went today to see her appearance, not knowing that it took place in a home for mentally handicapped people.. the hall wasnt that big, maybe room for one hundred people, but it was crowded.
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Borges
Thank you cantleave!
Phizzy - You've mentioned something very important: To enjoy life just as it is. And sometimes enjoying life isn't amusing. Sometimes it means that life grabs you at the guts - but still its life. As an atheist you are facing life as it comes to you and not as something wrecked that is in need of a god to repair it.
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Urgent: Pope Benedictus resigns: a good example for GB
by Gorbatchov injust in the news: pope benedictus is resigning.
this should be a good example for the gb of our church organization.
there are reasons enough: child abuse (conti case etc), failed prophecies (slave classe, un/osce), killing doctrines (blood doctrine etc, shunning / suicide) and fraude (investment corporation instead of church).. so it would be nice to read on bbc news: governing body of jehovah's witnesses resigns and make way for a new generation that embraces christian freedom.. gorby.
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Borges
I think Benedict is smart enough to know his limits. The GB isn't smart at all. They are more narrow minded as any Pope can be.
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Carnival of the god forsaken
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as it is carnival season in germany and the daughter of my girl-friend is in a dance group that performs at carnival sessions, we went today to see her appearance, not knowing that it took place in a home for mentally handicapped people.. the hall wasnt that big, maybe room for one hundred people, but it was crowded.
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Thank you for your comments!
whathappened - "God works in mysterious ways" has changed for me in "Life goes various ways"
label licker - Thank you very much for telling of your siblings. You've been through a lot of sad experiences. It's a shame that nobody in the congregation gave you a helping hand or took care of your sister. Wittnesses are so busy with preaching and arranging their own salvation that they are missing the essential things in life.
If believing in a god good gives you kind of consolation I'm very happy for you!
yadda yadda 2 - Interresting what you are saying about cures. I've talked with my girl-friend on our way home from the event. We both agreed in that in 20 or 30 years you wont see mental handicaped people anymore (or in very rare occasions) because the medical possibilities will be so advanced, that any kind of a genetic failure will be detected even before a person is going to procreate.
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Carnival of the god forsaken
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as it is carnival season in germany and the daughter of my girl-friend is in a dance group that performs at carnival sessions, we went today to see her appearance, not knowing that it took place in a home for mentally handicapped people.. the hall wasnt that big, maybe room for one hundred people, but it was crowded.
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As it is carnival season in Germany and the daughter of my girl-friend is in a dance group that performs at carnival sessions, we went today to see her appearance, not knowing that it took place in a home for mentally handicapped people.
The hall wasn’t that big, maybe room for one hundred people, but it was crowded. Almost everybody was costumed, even the physically disabled in their wheelchairs. Next to the inhabitants of the home there were relatives and nursing personnel. The mood was gushy and every performance (mostly given by young girls and boys) earned big applause and here and there a yelling.
For me it was the first time to meet with mentally handicapped people since I’ve abandoned every concept of God or any kind of a supreme being.
Earlier such encounters gave me uneasy feelings because I wasn’t able to understand why God permits this kind of suffering. Almost immediately my compassion vanished and was replaced by a self-referential struggle with my own beliefs. And all my emotions and actions towards handicapped people were dictated by the thought, what God wanted me to do and to feel.
Today it was totally different. I watched the handicapped ones, most of them enjoying the afternoon and the performance, but some were rather uncomfortable and uneasy, some very ecstatic, some just sitting in their wheelchair not showing any kind of emotion. I saw relatives who shared the joy, but also some, who couldn’t get rid of the pressure they experience by having a loved one in such a challenging condition. Even some of the nursing personnel seemed to be more irritated by the event.
I was touched very deeply by all I observed, but there was no inner fight, no searching for an answer that can’t be given. As I accepted this situation as it is, and the condition of this people as also natural and not a twist in a fathomless master plan, I draw as close to this people as never before. There was no barrier anymore and I could percept this emanation of life just as it is – one of the many ways life can exist.
In some occasions I reached out my hand, could speak to some of these very special people, at the same time some of them scared me by their behavior or just the way they looked. I felt compassion but also bewilderment. I allowed both feelings to dwell in my breast and enjoyed the freedom to face this situation without prefabricated concepts – even it was sometimes hurting.
I can’t remember a moment when I was happier to be an atheist as this afternoon.
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Welcome brainmelt!
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Hello??
by franticfran ini have just joined this website and just wanted to say hello to anyone out there.
i am so nervous,after thirty odd years in the "truth" i feel as though my husband and i have just walked into a room full of smiling strangers and we are just standing here hoping to god someone will come up and speak to us.
scared and excited and hoping to wake up one morning and not wonder what we do now???
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Welcome franticfran!
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What is your religious belief now?
by jwfacts ini have a new poll at jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/ as i am very interested to see what people have moved on to believe.
as this is considered sensitive by some, you can answer anonymously at the jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/, or answer on this thread.
this is what i have created in the list, but feel free to add comments, corrections, or options i have missed.. .
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Atheist.
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Came clean to the wife and all is good!
by Comatose ini have been reading steven hassan's books as well studying like never before.
my wife has seen the amount studying i am doing, just hasnt known what all subjects instudy.
over the last few weeks i've slowly shared certain things.
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Oh, what a nice morning (6:20 a.m. in Germany) reading jwn. First nolongerconfused post about his conversation with his parents, and now this one.
I'm very happy for you and your wife comatose!