With the new understanding of the fds, they tied themselfes strongly at 1919. And without 1914 no 1919. So, if they change 1914 they have also to come up with a new date for the fds beeing appointed as spiritual fast-food cooks.
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Do you think the WTS is about to change the doctrine about 1914? If so, what are the signs that is under way?
by EdenOne inwhat the title says.
do you think the wts doctrine that says that christ was made king in 1914 is about to change?
if you think that's being orchestrated and prepared, do you see signs of that already?
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QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE ASKED AFTER ARMAGEDDON
by sieborg inwhere can i plug in my i-pod to read my downloaded publications ?
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Who says that questions are allowed after armageddon?
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A picture so outrageous, it deserves its own thread...
by cedars ini mean no disrespect to sd-7 or his fine thread on which this picture has already featured, but i think it is just so ridiculous that it deserves a thread all of its own.. lurkers and apologists, this is how your precious organization views itself.... behold the madness.... .
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perfect1 -
"As a born in- I NEVER KNEW the NAMES or FACES of the men controlling every aspects of my families lives.
I dont think my family knew then or know now their names either! Even my Dad who was an elder!!!"
My dad, an elder since the late fiftees, had pictures from the GB Members on his desk (cut out of the proclaimers book I think) for years. We travelled hundreds of kilometers to attend special meetings when Franz or Knorr visited Germany and gave talks in stadions or big halls. There were international conventions where members of the GB gave talks ( I remember Sydlik, Henschel, Barber and Berry). They were by no means mistery man.
There were even series of articles about the GB members in the WT as far as I remember (in the ninetees?).
The great difference is, that the GB in those years was still very embedded in the jw history, at least since Rutherford. But as much, as they try to get rid of their past as an organization, they try eagerly to establish a new legitimation for their position in power. They can't do it by pseudo-scholarship like Franz did, so they rely on the mere power of words and pictures.
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A picture so outrageous, it deserves its own thread...
by cedars ini mean no disrespect to sd-7 or his fine thread on which this picture has already featured, but i think it is just so ridiculous that it deserves a thread all of its own.. lurkers and apologists, this is how your precious organization views itself.... behold the madness.... .
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cantleave - "Mark Sanderson is only 47 - so not that old"
Since he just offers his hairstyle on the pic - he looks old by all means.
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A picture so outrageous, it deserves its own thread...
by cedars ini mean no disrespect to sd-7 or his fine thread on which this picture has already featured, but i think it is just so ridiculous that it deserves a thread all of its own.. lurkers and apologists, this is how your precious organization views itself.... behold the madness.... .
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jwfacts - "How does this picture make sisters feel? Parts 1 to 4 are only men. Even number 5, with the congregation meeting, shows the meeting being led by a man. This sort of picture would really irritate the women where I work."
I thought exactly the same. Just men, and by the way, just OLD men.
This in fact a story-telling picture in many ways. You clearly see a hierachy and Jesus is missing. He can't be the one angel right from the globe, because there is another one following who is looking just the same. Finally the absence of Jesus is the most disturbing thing on that picture.
And anyone who ever worked in an office knows how important chairs are. You could look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, when you've got the better chair, they will envy you.
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Aint nobody got time that...
by Aussie Oz inmight be 9 months old but jesus...aint nobody got time for that.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh7ugaprdpm.
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Thanks for sharing! That is great!!
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Prayers
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recently i was thinking about the prayers i used to say while i was a witness.. .
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Phizzy - thank you for your comment. "Speaking into the air" - yeah thats right. Or just speaking to yourself.
"We tried as husband and wife a joint prayer,it was deeply embarrassing, and we never did it again."
May I ask you why you felt this way?
GfG - Thank you for reading my post. MC = Mc Donalds. I thought this was a common abbreveation. Sorry!
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recently i was thinking about the prayers i used to say while i was a witness.. .
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Recently I was thinking about the prayers I used to say while I was a witness.
There were three different kinds of prayers:
1. The personal prayers, quiet or silently whispered
2. Those I used to say together with my wife
3. The Prayers in front of other witnesses
The personal prayers were often just a soliloquy. Going into the depth of my inner self, but with the sensation that somebody is listening. Rendered with a forced humility, due to my awareness of being a sinner. Very often I started my prayers with: ” I am a worm”, so Jehovah would know, that nothing I was going to mention is worth to be heard and him listening would be even more than undeserved kindness. Sometimes these prayers were very relieving, but often they left me with a bad taste. I thought: “Why should Jehovah listen to you?” This was mainly because I hated field service and even as a pioneer I always looked for opportunities to avoid going from house to house. And my preference for movies and books that the average witness would have considered as worldly, immoral, satanic.
The prayers with my wife (ex-wife actually) were always a burden. Not those before the meal, but those before going to sleep. Most of the time, I didn’t know what to say. So it was just phrases, thanks for that, thanks for this, please, please, please. Only in rare occasions I mentioned something special. I did it only because I thought this was my duty as husband and “head”. In retrospect it seems like I haven’t wanted a third person in my bed. Maybe because I sensed that two were already one too much.
Prayers in front of others were always easy, because when you grow up as a witness you have an endless fund of phrases to use. Becoming more acquainted to public speaking the prayers improved and finally you can easily switch between different inner outlines. You’ve got one for the service meeting, one for public talk, one for bible studies, one for shepherd calls, even one for the memorial and one for judicial committees. You don’t say these prayers to god. You direct them to the ones who are listening, with bowed head and closed eyes. Sometime they were extensions of the meeting just held, not a simple revision of what has been said, more an opportunity to put emphasis on the things you wanted the audience to keep in mind.
I remember very well my last sincere prayer to Jehovah as one of his witnesses. After a few months inactive I went out with an elder, who was really a friendly guy with a lot of family problems, so I didn’t care much about him not caring much about me. But we liked to talk with each other and so I thought I will give it another try. And while we were walking from one house to the next I felt my belly grumbling and my heart was beating faster and faster. I wanted to stop immediately, the nausea was almost unbearable. And in my mind I prayed to Jehovah: “Please, please, please let me feel at least a hint of joy in this work. Just a little bit. Just a little…..little…..little bit.”
Two doors later I invited the elder to MC. I’ve never been in field service again.
You can imagine that a prayer was answered. But every unanswered prayer is for real.
JW and prayers – what do you think?
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Two things came to my mind looking at the picture in the OP:
First (even I don't believe in the bible anymore) 1. Cor. 4:8:
"Already you are satisfied! Already you are rich! You have become kings..."
And the second one is from a wonderfull Carpenters Song:
"I'm on the top of the world lookin' down on creation..."
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New video: Jehovah's Witnesses and Watchtower's secret child abuse letter
by cedars inwe have decided to let the world know what happened when our websites were shut down earlier this month by means of this new video..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_9efi84qnc.
huge thanks to nugget for lending us her gorgeous voice, and also to cantleave for his cameo role as the voice of the big bad watchtower!
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Very good work Cedars and Juan! Keep up with it, because it's very important. I was a victim of childabuse myself and experienced first hand how elders and the guys in charge (at german branch) handle these cases.