A good rule of thumb I try to use is... attack the post not the poster.
Seems like debate is healthy but once a post starts calling someone names even calling them sensitive it becomes perceived as personal. But thats just my thought.
faithnomore
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Politically Correct Wasteland
by freemindfade inthis was a comment i made from another post, but i would like to hear some people discuss this.
i know the social justice warriors will scream i'm some sort of trump supporter for what i say even though i don't agree with his ideas and no i am not voting for him... i accept this is a go to for them.. i think we have fallen into a pc vacuum.. criticizing someones religion = racism!.
telling someone to not be so sensitive = misogyny!.
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Science vs Religion - All in the brain? New study...
by faithnomore inmaybe they can't help it?.
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/20365/20160325/science-vs-religion-brain-neural-networks-faith-reason-religious-non-religious.htm.
http://phys.org/news/2016-03-conflict-science-religion-lies-brains.html.
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@elbib what I find so interesting about this new study though is that having a religious belief actually suppresses cognitive thinking and believing in science supresses morals much like your quote of von Braun "science does not have a moral dimension".
So my question is can one help it if their brain actually shuts down cognitive thinking? It appears from this one study that our brain can't marry the two because each of the the thoughts (science/religion) are from two different hemispheres of the brain and using one shuts down the other. Any way I just found that interesting and would love to have more info.
Perhaps this is what helps me not be so mad at myself for being hoodwinked:) for me to say I couldn't help it because my brain shut down all reasoning when I was a true believer:). It took months of fading before I started realizing that maybe what I was taught wasn't right. Almost like I had to be removed from the congregation for some time before my cognitive thinking kicked in.
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Science vs Religion - All in the brain? New study...
by faithnomore inmaybe they can't help it?.
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/20365/20160325/science-vs-religion-brain-neural-networks-faith-reason-religious-non-religious.htm.
http://phys.org/news/2016-03-conflict-science-religion-lies-brains.html.
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faithnomore
I think its basically saying that believing in a god/religion is using one hemisphere of the brain which then suppresses cognitive thinking and vice versa. I think its super interesting because I think back to when I was a jw believer and there was nothing you could say that would make me believe there is no god (which I tie directly to religion) so I feel like my cognitive thinking was for sure suppressed. -
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Science vs Religion - All in the brain? New study...
by faithnomore inmaybe they can't help it?.
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/20365/20160325/science-vs-religion-brain-neural-networks-faith-reason-religious-non-religious.htm.
http://phys.org/news/2016-03-conflict-science-religion-lies-brains.html.
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A mistake we did ...
by Absolutesbeginners inhello girls !.
i ve been reading you all many times , and from many years ..... i am sure my english is getting better and better because of you !
i am from france, no sorry , from "small brittany " ...so what ?
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faithnomore
This is what helps me...
As a born in I could have been born into Scientology, the Moonies, Mormon, Jim Jones, the Family etc. Each having some major issues in my opinion.
I try to look at the positive things I learned from being a jw. I was taught to love people which carried over nicely when I faded to accepting all people. I was taught to put others first which transitioned nicely into trying to be kind and not always react. I was taught to turn away from wrath which helps me today not to be too angry with family, friends or my circumstances. There are more but I think you get the jest of how I look at being raised a jw and how I cope today.
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You Can Be Happy As A JW If...
by JW_Rogue inyou are delusional.
meaning that you believe everything that the wt says 100% without questioning it all.
you believe there is no other source of truth or valid view points.
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faithnomore
Perhaps there are two competing hemispheres in the brain and believing shuts off cognitive thinking?
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Coming to terms with the Watchtower experience
by Lee Elder init is a challenge coming to terms with your experience as a jehovah's witness.
if you were born and raised as a jw, and your parents were true believers, the impact on your life is profound, lasting, and largely negative.
in some cases quite abusive emotionally, spiritually, financially, educationally and yes, even sexually.. i recently watched "trumbo", and was quite moved by dalton trumbo's speech to the screen writers guild in 1970. here is an excerpt that i think is quite relevant to this topic:.
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faithnomore
I truly believe they are a victim of their beliefs. Do they know its wrong? I'm not convinced.
A couple of years ago you couldn't convince me anything associated with the truth was "wrong". My spouse tried so hard and I wouldn't budge. No way no how, this was the truth period, end of discussion. I went out and and used phrasing, illustrations and what not that played to emotions. I did this not out of malice but because I thought I had the cure, the truth.
I believe, speaking from experience, people can be so blinded by what they want to believe.
I personally can't blame one single person except myself for my years in the "truth". I read scriptures, I didn't use critical thinking. I can only blame myself.
Edited to add: thanks for the welcome everyone! I'm still sorta in a stunned faze. Seems nihlism is the way I lean at this point but give me time:).
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Coming to terms with the Watchtower experience
by Lee Elder init is a challenge coming to terms with your experience as a jehovah's witness.
if you were born and raised as a jw, and your parents were true believers, the impact on your life is profound, lasting, and largely negative.
in some cases quite abusive emotionally, spiritually, financially, educationally and yes, even sexually.. i recently watched "trumbo", and was quite moved by dalton trumbo's speech to the screen writers guild in 1970. here is an excerpt that i think is quite relevant to this topic:.
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Thank you Giordano I appreciated the pm. I've gone through (I think) the various stages of grief if I might describe fading as that. I am thankful that I was taught by jw to love people so I'm not having a hard transition on accepting people without prejudice. I think my question in what I believe now is more along the lines of a God. -
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A new article on Gerrit's thinking on "Going to College is like pulling the trigger to our mouth"
by opusdei1972 ini have written a new article about how truthful is gerrit's comparison.
as you may know, in 2005 gerrit losch gave a talk in which he compared higher education with committing suicide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjh4qvmxyhy.
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Higher education is eye opening and often the result is critical thinking. just saying. -
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I finally understood the final hurdle...
by The Rebel inwell the "pious" elders tuned out to be " super pious" and very good at reciting from the " very super pious" elders manuel, but actually " super pious" elders are quite harmless when ignored.. as for my former friends in the congregation, well throughout the ages there have always been people prepared to stand up for truth and friendship, sadly my " former" friends from the congregation proved not to be people of such noble character, instead only capable of giving short contrived speeches about why they missed me at meetings, snooze, and no great loss, as i have found the community outside the w.t organisation positively buzzing with unconditional friendship.. anyway i feel i have overcome all hurdles in my exit from the " w.t" except one,which is how i deal with my disrespectful father.
even when i was a witness in good standing, he had a pretty disrespectful and rude word power, now it's completely inappropriate.
i have tried pointing this out, even had long periods without contact, but i don't like doing that as it denies my mum seeing her grandson.. however what i have concluded is that this isn't w.t at fault.
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faithnomore
Some people need to be loved from far away for ones own well being. Often times the abusive ones have been abused. We often don't know what one goes through or has gone through in life, some people are masters at hiding their pain. All we can do is show compassion and kindness and hope it conquers, if it doesn't then at least we know we tried.
best of luck.