thank you, excellent video, sums it up nicely, which would otherwise be hard to go through without spending hours on end.
keep it up, looking forward to part 2
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Do you miss that initial "high" ??
by stuckinarut2 indo you remember the first time you found out "the truth about the truth"?.
yes, it was confronting, shocking and life altering.
yes it was hard to deal with.. but, along with that, many have said that they experienced a sense of thrill, euphoria, or joy when realising the facts about the religion that held us captive mentally and physically for so long.. it was liberating to learn some of the controversial teachings etc.
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Yes, I remember the "high" , in a short period of time, so many things suddenly made sense. Before, I tried to wrap my mind around many teachings, (blood, 1914, generation, birthday etc) and felt constantly guilty of not being a good enough Christian, not doing enough etc.
That burden was lifted, this was exciting for sure.
The downside of course, having all family and friends still in.....
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WT study
by inbetween09 init became rare, i thought, when considering last weekends study article.
it became rare, that most of the message is actually quite ok. the gist was to avoid loving oneself, money and pleasures more than god.
thats ok, if you're a believer.. this was my take until i saw the pictures, and discovered the real message behind the article.. as often, they use pictures to contrast bad and good behaviour (in their eyes at least).
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It became rare, I thought, when considering last weekends study article. It became rare, that most of the message is actually quite ok. The gist was to avoid loving oneself, money and pleasures more than God. Thats ok, if you're a believer.
This was my take until I saw the pictures, and discovered the real message behind the article.
As often, they use pictures to contrast bad and good behaviour (in their eyes at least).
Guess what the picture regarding good behaviour in matters of money portrayed? Yes, you guessed right, a brohter putting money in the donation box. So that was the real intention of the article, another hidden request for money.
The sheeples must not love money, but the borg can...hypocrites...
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This probably sounds uppity. I'm saying it anyhow
by stillin inhas anybody else noticed a pattern that is here among us outcasts?
there seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the kingdom hall.
actually, intelligent conversation seems to be looked down upon among the witnesses.. also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the witnesses.
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In the congo I grew up, indeed there were not many smart paople, some due to lack of education, some just naturally limited. later on, changing to foreign language groups, I got to know some very bright witnesses, some with college, some without, but nonetheless all of them above avarage. They are able to come up with really smart arguments, and are quite opne minded.
Something though hinders their thinking skills when it comes to anything the GB comes up with, its just not questioned, at least not openly.
Its not a lack of intelligence, its rather denial, fear and the wish to be socially accepted.
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A spy's life is a lonely one
by LevelThePlayingField inso i have been awake since about this time in 2013, so about 5 years.
and the craziest thing about it is that now, no one, and i mean no one know's i am an apostate.
meaning, that i don't believe the jw minds set/beliefs at all, and no one knows it.
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Same here, also PIMO for several years, can`t leave due to family situation. Often I feel stuck, lonely and frustrated. To some decree I can talk about some of my concerns with my wife, she agrees often and is not shy to critisize the org, even gb members. But for her, the truth remains the truth, and I think it would be emotionally damaging to her, if I draw her out at this time. maybe this will change in the future, who knows.
But even to her I could never admit that I`m conversing with apostates....so yes, being a spy is a lonely place...
In the meantime, I try to be as Christian (in the true sense) as possible and let reason rule in my dealings with others, often picking more liberal viewpoints, sometimes expressed in the org literature.
In real life though, I´m tending more towards agnosticism.
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Your Top Ten Favourite Movies?
by LoveUniHateExams injust thought i'd start a thread about favourite movies.
mine, in no particular order, are .... alien - a great visual film.
the chest-bursting scene is still great to watch, no matter how many times i've seen the movie.
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Lord of the rings (all 3)
Gladiator
Alien and Aliens
Matrix
Inception
Batman (the christopher Nolan ones)
Valerian
Star trek, the new ones with Chris Pine
Sherlock (Cumberbatch)
Blade Runner
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November broadcast
by inbetween09 inanybody seen november 2017 broadcast ?
i do not mean the hypocritical talks about accuracy, but the rather short talk at the end.
the brother (sorry, forgot the name) addressed the issue of how apostates wrongly inform the media about the 2 witness rule.
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Hello,
anybody seen November 2017 broadcast ? I do not mean the hypocritical talks about accuracy, but the rather short talk at the end. The brother (sorry, forgot the name) addressed the issue of how apostates wrongly inform the media about the 2 witness rule.
I guess the org received several letters from concerned brethren, who watched TV or read newspaper.
He starts like how dangerous it could be, that our faith be eroded, and kind of blames apostates for the media coverage. He didnt mention child abuse directly.
then he goes and quotes Deuteronomy (2 witness rule).
Then he creates a strawman, by saying that some of opposers accuse JW of not applying the Mosaic law in some areas (example given of stoning adulterers) but do so in other areas. he then continues to show Matthew 18:16, trying to prove that Jesus established this rule also as being valid for Christians.
But there are some problems with this approach:
1) The main issue was not their own procedure of judicial comitees, rather the fact, that they did not report it to authorites, and it was not all done to protect children and victims.
2) The situation in Matthew 18 involves disputes between adults. Even their own literatur applies it to business dealing for instance, but NEVER to any sexual misconduct. What a big lie to pull this one in the context of child abuse !
3) Even the org allows for circumstantial evidence in connection with sexual misconduct, when 2 witnesses observe a couple being the night together. They do not witness the act itself of course. Or what do you think would happen if a not married sister becomes pregnant, but does not confess? and no witnesses are there either?
I was surpised they even adress the issue, but as usual, with half truths and logical fallacies.
But it will work for some who may have raised some questions...sigh..
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If there was a resurrection in paradise
by Sour Grapes insomething that bothered me even when i was a watchtower company drone was the thought of dying and being resurrected in paradise.
would the resurrected person really be me or just a copy of me?
if god could recreate one of me, he could also recreate five of me.
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nice thoughts, it always bothered me as well.
The general problem, as was also adressed by previous posters, is the lack of continuity.
Just for arguments sake (as Im not sure anyway what to believe): God, as described as all powerful , rules over space AND time. What if he, just a second before you die, travels back to this time, so to say fetches you and transport you over into the future, where you will be resurrected, while leaving behind a copy of you behind to decay?
It would solve the problem of not being the same, its not a recreation of you, its really you being transferred to the future. Of course, its not a real resurrection, as you were not really dead, but it would, to you and others, feel like one.
just a crazy idea ;-)
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judgement and resurrection
by inbetween09 inanother inconsistency in wt theology:.
jw believe, when armegeddon comes, only jw will survive.
good news was preached in most areas and people could decide for or against god.
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another inconsistency in WT theology:
JW believe, when Armegeddon comes, only JW will survive. Good news was preached in most areas and people could decide for or against God. Only exception those living in such remote areas, they have not heard from JW, here God will read their hearts.
On the other hand, if somebody dies before A. , he will get resurrected (except real wicked people like Judas Isacriot, Sodom inhabitnats etc), even though he had the chance to listen to JW, but refused.
Does this make sense ?
Sme JW may say, well even these people will not get resurrected, but what do JW say to people, who lost somebody to death? Do they say: Well, did he in his lifetime listen to us? If not, resurrection is very uncertain.
No, rather JW will most definetely always try to comfort (lure in) people with the resurrection hope.
Its just another example, of how little JW think through their own theology...
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Where were the Angels ?
by Phizzy ini do not wish to trivialize or minimize the horrific murder of a jw lady in finland as she handed out mags etc from her cart in finland, but do you remember the stories we used to hear of angels protecting jw's in their "preaching" work ?.
where were the angels when this lady needed them ?
watching from heaven ?.
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If a pioneer in desperate needs find $ 100 on the street it was a loving provision from J.
but an incident like above, well time and unforeseen occurance...
somebody got his priorities wrong I guess