Posts by wisdomfrombelow

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Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

by Watchtower-Free in

october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

dear brothers:.

wisdomfrombelow

Our Kingdom Ministry is being replaced by a new four-color, eight-page monthly publication entitled Our Christian Life and Ministry—Meeting Workbook (mwb).

If this new workbook has no announcements and no stats then the only way the rank and file will know about "theocratic increase" is via the yearbook. They won't see any more monthly decreases that used to be in the older Kingdom Ministry. Is the monthly average low in the USA? No one will know anymore, all they will have is the congregation average which the CO can use when considering appointments.

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Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

by Watchtower-Free in

october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

dear brothers:.

wisdomfrombelow

If this is true then there is no 2nd school. Which means no need for the space for extra classrooms. Which means more space for a main hall.

It also means less people needed to give parts and more opportunity for sisters (if they do all three presentations) or to give pioneers more of the spotlight. I guess the written review will be gone as well...good riddance.

Guardians of Doctrine?

by wisdomfrombelow in

i can't imagine the governing body as being the "guardians of the jw doctrine".

they have the power to make new laws but i really don't think they understand the history of their doctrine.i was reflecting on truthseeker's jehovah's witness guide to understanding the generation teaching chart and how it simply showed the changes through time.

i wonder what it would look like if most of their "unique" teachings were displayed that way?there are enthusiasts of tv shows, movies, comic books who seem to know more about the characters and their nuances than the people who write them or who created them.

wisdomfrombelow

I can't imagine the Governing Body as being the "guardians of the JW doctrine". They have the power to make new laws but I really don't think they understand the history of their doctrine.

I was reflecting on truthseeker's Jehovah's Witness Guide to Understanding the Generation Teaching chart and how it simply showed the changes through time. I wonder what it would look like if most of their "unique" teachings were displayed that way?

There are enthusiasts of TV shows, movies, comic books who seem to know more about the characters and their nuances than the people who write them or who created them. There are also Witnesses and former Witnesses who know more about the policy changes and history than the current writers of JW doctrine.

An JW cannon of beliefs and how they developed through history would be interesting and should exist for the "guardians of doctrine" so when they write more of their JW fiction they can at least be consistent. But consistency was never important to them, having power and control is and they have that refined very well.

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Is the WT SLOW-ly Changing the importance of the Door to Door preaching work to something more profitable?

by John Aquila in

its been a couple of weeks since a new c.o.

was appointed to the circuit and im starting to hear tidbits of his talks..

one brother told me that in one of his talks he asked the question; .

wisdomfrombelow

The door-to-door work is busy work. For decades it was emphasized as a way to make money. Print literature, have the publishers pay for the literature and then have them possible get back their financial overlay by the money received from the householder. As long as the publisher paid for the literature the Society got it's money, whether it was placed or not.

Now they can no longer require a fee for the literature from the publishers so they are spending money to print it and not getting money back.They need to find a way to get money and keep the publishers busy. Carts definitely can keep a person busy but they can't have everyone do a cart. If they can get free labor from construction and give pioneer credit or make up a new term so the construction workers feel special, they will do that also.

Door to door work might change to offering only tracts or highlighting the website where the householder can download the literature and that won't cost them much money. I don't see them getting something to replace door to door as what else can occupy so many people for so long?

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The bridge burning has begun.

by sparrowdown in

jw
friends

i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....

i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..

so i texted her back immediately with fu..

wisdomfrombelow

I don't know your previous relationship with your sister but everyone here seems to be cheering you on for what you did. It is good to be true to yourself but I wouldn't have done it the way you did. It seemed like all it would do is make tension.

Perhaps visiting her in person and having her sit down before her telling her the news might have braced her for the announcement and maybe would have created some compassion and understanding from your sister. Maybe not. I also don't like obscenities being sent in texts but perhaps I am old fashioned.

I hope you can find unconditional friends you can spend time with. That takes time and energy and isn't as easy as one gets older. Welcome to the rest of your life...enjoy it.

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Where you are in your life now.....What would you have preferred .... To be left in ignorance ? ...Or to know the truth about the truth

by smiddy in

jw
friends

i think possibly their are a few valid reasons for either options to this question ,depending on a number of factors .. such as how old you might be, how long you have devoted your life to the "truth" as you believed it .

?....how it may affect your mental/physical health and well being.?.

how it will affect your financial position in your life ,?

wisdomfrombelow

I prefer to know the reality rather than a fanciful lie. I wish I had known it earlier but I never regret finding it out.

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Are the J.W's reaching a "Tipping point"?

by karter in

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friends

i haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.

the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.

then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????

wisdomfrombelow

People are still people, their methods haven't changed, they have made some good decisions from a corporate perspective as well. I think they are here to stay people.

I don't think even a mass exodus would extinguish them. Just looking back at their history, the 1925 debacle would have made any sane person walk away. David and the other ancient worthies being resurrected to life? It didn't happen and the the nucleus that remained got more powerful and more out of the mainstream.

For some people, they have sacrificed so much and being a JW is so much of their identity that they can't leave even if they wanted to. And if they were kicked out they would do all they could to get back to "mother." Having a large membership helped them distribute a large amount of literature which helped generate income for them for a very long time. Since that model is broken and things are available online, their costs can be greatly reduced and they can survive with much fewer adherents, even if the adherents are less educated and less financially stable.

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Friends of All Sorts....

by wisdomfrombelow in

when i hear people say that you can't keep your jw friends when you leave i can understand why they say that.

however, i can also see how that is a generalization.

i remember my life growing up as a jw and having good friends who were jewish and catholic and protestant and buddhist and hindu and muslim and atheists.

wisdomfrombelow

I am glad that I had a diversity of friends growing up because of school and that had helped me be tolerant of different points of view.

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I need some advice

by SpunkedTeen in

jw
friends

i dont think ill be able to leave the organization,you see i have no close friends in or outside the jws and my entire family is part of the cult,if i leave my mom and the rest of my family will be heartbroken and i dont want to be the reason they are hurt.

im not particularly close to any of my family members but i still care for them.

i could really use some advice because i have no one else to turn too..

wisdomfrombelow

You already know the answer. If you want stay in, stay. If you want to leave, prepare yourself for a less painful exit. Lots of people don't like their job but only a few quit when they haven't prepared to find a new job or have a lot of bills and need the money. Use common sense (which might not be so common) and "count the cost", to borrow a witness phrase, and prepare for your next step, whatever that may be.

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Friends of All Sorts....

by wisdomfrombelow in

when i hear people say that you can't keep your jw friends when you leave i can understand why they say that.

however, i can also see how that is a generalization.

i remember my life growing up as a jw and having good friends who were jewish and catholic and protestant and buddhist and hindu and muslim and atheists.

wisdomfrombelow

When I hear people say that you can't keep your JW friends when you leave I can understand why they say that. However, I can also see how that is a generalization. I remember my life growing up as a JW and having good friends who were Jewish and Catholic and Protestant and Buddhist and Hindu and Muslim and Atheists. I didn't try to force my religion down their throat and I respected them and they respected me. School and work expanded my exposure to different viewpoints. I also had some JW friends (and a lot more JW acquaintances.) As some of JW friends faded or were kicked out I still kept in touch because they were first and foremost, friends. Later, when I became a ex-JW some of my JW friends still kept in touch and visit and call. I guess because they are real friends and that is rare because they risk expulsion if discovered.

People who are "in" probably don't ask of their friends "if one of us were to leave the JWs would be still keep our friendship?" I guess that is something they might want to consider before determining who their friends are. If you can't be honest and truthful with your friends then you need to find new friends. Is there anyone else out there who has managed to keep friendship with JWs after they exit or kept friendship with exJWs when they were still in?