Posts by wisdomfrombelow

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No the WT Borg is not closing! That's Wild Dreaming!

by DwainBowman in

no the wt borg is not closing!

that's wild dreaming!

they have been changing directions for a while now, and for whatever reasons, what is happening now is a part of that change!

wisdomfrombelow

I have to wonder where the money will come from. Since the "total donation arrangement" for literature completely flipped their revenue source, everything else is a stop-gap. They had a policy where people who generated the most revenue (pioneers) were rewarded and they pushed the ministry because the more full-time publishers the more money they made.

Now how can they have a sustainable model to get money that continues and make it so people don't see it as an obvious "begging for money". The DVDs may only cost pennies to make but if they think people will pay a lot of dollars for them they are wrong. People will get them for free and having them available on the website for streaming or downloading also doesn't generate any revenue.

They need a way to monetize indulgences and not have them look like obvious indulgences.

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It must be a concern of all the information that is now been leaked

by joe134cd in

i have put up previous posts about this in the past, but i just thought that it was worth mentioning again.

it has to be of concern to them with how quickly information is getting leaked.

hell it even surprises at just how slowly information spreads by offical means.

wisdomfrombelow

thedepressedsoul Guys, it's definitely happening. They are not going to pull it.

It takes so much time to get everything ready for publication and translated that there is no doubt this change is happening even if it got leaked. Something like this has been in the planning stages for months and if it was leaked back then before the writing of the letter then it might be something. There are probably dozens if not hundreds at Bethel who were aware of the change by the time the leak happened so it doesn't have to be someone of high status who leaked the information.

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Had you thought of feeling sorry for the G.B?

by The Rebel in

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friends

i only bring this to the board, because a friend of mine once said he felt sorry for the footballers who made so much money.

that comment stayed with me, and over the years,the more i thought about that comment the more i agreed with him.. i admit the g.b destroy people's life's and are the sublimation of all that's good in people's life.

there only excuse is a fantazy asylum they claim to believe in.

wisdomfrombelow

I feel no pity for them. They accepted when offered the position so they are entitled to any problems associated with it.

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How did your close JWs react when they found out you know TTATT?

by ivanatahan in

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i'm not sure if this topic has ever been posted (surely, i believe it has), but it would be interesting to revive such a topic and hear your stories!.

when my parents heard my first rant (after they told me to be home schooled when i was caught kissing a girl) they entered into a long depression that continues to this day.

my father suffers knowing his once amazing family is now divided, and my mother is equally angry.

wisdomfrombelow

Some of them shun me. Some of them just don't discuss religious things with me. Some of them want to understand my viewpoint. Some agree with me and know TTATT but are stuck in for family reasons. Everyone is different. They know I am DF'd and some just don't let that stop them from keeping in touch.

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Old is Becoming New Again?

by Tazemanian-devil in

is it just me, or does it seem like jw.org is returning to some very old methods from rutherford's era?.

- their carts / booths is very reminiscent of the sandwich board system, including the fact that they no longer personally engage.

- showing videos via the tablet / smartphone is almost exactly like the phonograph method they used.

wisdomfrombelow

Witness 007
Brother Knorr/Franz 1943 take over is being reversed.

It seems like they are deconstructing what they constructed because there is a decline and not an increase. No more training of missionaries. Vastly reorganized branch structure. Revamped bible. End of types/antitypes. Revising the New World Translation. Like Russell and Rutherford before them, Knorr and Franz would not recognize what happened to the religion they built.

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How the college educated/employed "weak" JW's will soon be "used"

by ToesUp in

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once these laid off bethelites are released from their duties, where will they go?.

how many will turn to their "spiritually weak" families for a place to live, a meal or financial aid?

the ones who have been criticized over the years for attending college and getting a good job may soon become an asset to the ones who have been relieved of their duties .

wisdomfrombelow

If they do that it will be like the Society on one side of their mouth asking for people with specific skills to volunteer and on the other side of their mouth saying they don't endorse the education that enabled them to attain those skills. Makes them look foolish but perhaps if they eat "humble pie" and ask for help maybe they might have a change in perspective. Or if they don't get help maybe they might have a change in perspective of headquarters.

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How Much Does It Cost To Produce One Watchtower Magazine?

by The Governor in

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hello everyone i had a quick question to ask.

does anyone know how much it cost to produce a watchtower magazine?

also does anyone know how much each watchtower magazine is worth?

wisdomfrombelow

It really depends on volume. There are fixed costs and variable costs. Running the presses, buying the paper and ink, time it takes to write and translate. With the jw.org online magazines it is the same costs no matter how many people download an issue and that is the reason for the big push to online. It can be done much, much cheaper.

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Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

by Watchtower-Free in

october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

dear brothers:.

wisdomfrombelow

Our Kingdom Ministry is being replaced by a new four-color, eight-page monthly publication entitled Our Christian Life and Ministry—Meeting Workbook (mwb).

If this new workbook has no announcements and no stats then the only way the rank and file will know about "theocratic increase" is via the yearbook. They won't see any more monthly decreases that used to be in the older Kingdom Ministry. Is the monthly average low in the USA? No one will know anymore, all they will have is the congregation average which the CO can use when considering appointments.

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Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

by Watchtower-Free in

october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

dear brothers:.

wisdomfrombelow

If this is true then there is no 2nd school. Which means no need for the space for extra classrooms. Which means more space for a main hall.

It also means less people needed to give parts and more opportunity for sisters (if they do all three presentations) or to give pioneers more of the spotlight. I guess the written review will be gone as well...good riddance.

Guardians of Doctrine?

by wisdomfrombelow in

i can't imagine the governing body as being the "guardians of the jw doctrine".

they have the power to make new laws but i really don't think they understand the history of their doctrine.i was reflecting on truthseeker's jehovah's witness guide to understanding the generation teaching chart and how it simply showed the changes through time.

i wonder what it would look like if most of their "unique" teachings were displayed that way?there are enthusiasts of tv shows, movies, comic books who seem to know more about the characters and their nuances than the people who write them or who created them.

wisdomfrombelow

I can't imagine the Governing Body as being the "guardians of the JW doctrine". They have the power to make new laws but I really don't think they understand the history of their doctrine.

I was reflecting on truthseeker's Jehovah's Witness Guide to Understanding the Generation Teaching chart and how it simply showed the changes through time. I wonder what it would look like if most of their "unique" teachings were displayed that way?

There are enthusiasts of TV shows, movies, comic books who seem to know more about the characters and their nuances than the people who write them or who created them. There are also Witnesses and former Witnesses who know more about the policy changes and history than the current writers of JW doctrine.

An JW cannon of beliefs and how they developed through history would be interesting and should exist for the "guardians of doctrine" so when they write more of their JW fiction they can at least be consistent. But consistency was never important to them, having power and control is and they have that refined very well.