If you don't believe in God why try to have a religious discussion with him. When I see people I haven't seen in a while I care about how they are doing and what is new in their life--not get into a discussion about religion or politics. Even if you open his eyes he probably has too much invested to just walk away from it even if you prove every point to him.
I guess if I were to talk to someone and try to get them to think I would start with Paul's comments about the resurrection. Paul agreed that if the dead were not to be raised up then Christians would be the most pitiable and foolish of people. So much better to really enjoy the life we have. Then ask him if he would agree that if the Watchtower was not preaching the truth then Jehovah's Witnesses are to be the most pitiable and foolish people out there. Sacrificing everything to get man-made, meaningless titles. Shunning their own children. Forgoing education and anything that would make their lives more meaningful. Perhaps not even getting married or having children because they wanted to serve the Watchtower more fully.
Then I would say "If they don't have the truth..." but of course he believes they do have the truth. Just like the billions of other people with different religious beliefs and who might react the same way when you tell them they don't have the truth. What is the difference? Only that he believes he is right. Hypothetical questions sometimes help people to think about things in ways they would never otherwise. But I don't expect him ever think outside the box...Then I would change the topic and never bring up religion again...but that's just me.
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He Wants To Help Me
by LouBelle inso i just happened to bump into an elder today.
a guy my age that i used to know.
i was having a quick breakfast.
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No more circuit assemblies
by justmeok ini heard from a reliable source that there will be no more 2 day assemblies, but instead 2 one days each year.
anyone heard this yet?
supposed to start new service year.
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Might you realize that it's pointless to drag JWs and their families out to so many convention and assembly days per year? Surely they know one of the reasons so many of us have left is because we couldn't carry the crushing burden they laid on our backs, the burden of the meeting, field service, study and assembly schedules.
Just like Solomon's son made things much harder for the people, GB 2.0 will not ease the burden and will push many people too far. They don't know empathy or compassion.
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BOE Letter: New Adjustments
by pixel in**this was predicted from some members here**.
to all congregations .
re: adjustments in organizational terminology and assembly arrangements .
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I wonder which unfortunate circuit gets the Circuit Assembly on Superbowl Sunday or will it not be scheduled on that day and on XMAS and New Years when they fall on a weekend?
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Meeting Not Cancelled but Postponed
by wisdomfrombelow inthere's a big snowstorm on the east coast and i found out that the school and service meeting was not cancelled but postponed to tomorrow.
why do they think it's so important to have it so they ruin another evening after shoveling snow?
just venting.....
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I'm sure they think everyone wants to go to the hall and hates to miss a meeting. Delusional.
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Meeting Not Cancelled but Postponed
by wisdomfrombelow inthere's a big snowstorm on the east coast and i found out that the school and service meeting was not cancelled but postponed to tomorrow.
why do they think it's so important to have it so they ruin another evening after shoveling snow?
just venting.....
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There's a big snowstorm on the East Coast and I found out that the School and Service meeting was not cancelled but postponed to tomorrow. Why do they think it's so important to have it so they ruin another evening after shoveling snow? Just venting....
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2014 March Our Kingdom Ministry
by WatchTower87 in2014 march our kingdom ministry .
pdf version : http://adf.ly/bozdo press next and download.. .
no virus ;) .
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thanks
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Of a small note, on page 49 there is a picture of someone in the ministry without a tie again. I have to think it was deliberate as that picture had to be staged.
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Experiences: CAA needs to emotionally vomit... catharsis... release ... etc.
by confusedandalone inok, so i have been on this journey for about a year or so.
i feel like i am no longer a part of this whacked out religion, however at the same time after spending so many years in it there have been a huge array of things that have happened to me that i feel i need to talk about.
not because they will help anyone who reads them, not because they are the slightest bit interesting, but because i can no longer keep them bottled up and expect to move on.. alot of things i have experienced hurt me deeply... although i was able to move forward with my life these things tend to hang around in my mind because i have never been able to tell anyone outside of my wife.
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Comatose - Thanks for your comment. It made me smile.
confusedandalone - Don't think too much about what I said. I was commenting more to the people who really piled on the woman who really didn't know her and made so many assumptions about her character. I am glad you shared your story and I'm glad you got married to the woman who is right for you.
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Experiences: CAA needs to emotionally vomit... catharsis... release ... etc.
by confusedandalone inok, so i have been on this journey for about a year or so.
i feel like i am no longer a part of this whacked out religion, however at the same time after spending so many years in it there have been a huge array of things that have happened to me that i feel i need to talk about.
not because they will help anyone who reads them, not because they are the slightest bit interesting, but because i can no longer keep them bottled up and expect to move on.. alot of things i have experienced hurt me deeply... although i was able to move forward with my life these things tend to hang around in my mind because i have never been able to tell anyone outside of my wife.
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I was destroyed inside. I knew I had to confess. So I went to see her the next day and told her we had to tell the brothers. I called my favorite elder from her house and told him.
I guess I'm the only one who looks at your story and sees you as the villian. Well, perhaps that is too strong a word but i read your own words and frankly I feel no pity for any of the suffering you got because of how you went about things. I see 5 times in that passage you state "I" and only one time it was "we" and it was basically only to tell her what you were going to do.
You decided for her, when you felt ready. You didn't ask her or give her any warning. While you were still at the house you decided to make the call. You could have said "I feel real bad about my actions and I want to confess to the elders next week". You trapped her and threw her under the bus just because you felt like YOU needed a change. You didn't just walk away and say "i need to stop". You didn't tell her "i want to confess so I'll not involve you and the co-conspiritant will be nameless". You didn't even say "i will go home and call"...you did it right there in her house.
If you did that to me I would feel that you would deserve any pain the elders and congregation heaped upon you. You didn't feel like telling your brother the elder about it so you weren't ready to face him. Did you ever think she might not want to face the consequences also?
I'm glad you didn't marry her but to make her seem like some kind of evil person because she is probably really bitter about you getting her in trouble. You never know the effect of your actions on someone else.
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If the GB reinstated the Book study, would it take?
by BU2B ini have been noticing in recent threads that people have been observing that the zeal has been waning among r+f jws.
i have observed that most zealous, die hards have gone to foreign lands, or foreign language congregations, leaving the others in the stagnant english congregations.
when you think of it, if you cared at all about bringing people into the cult, you probably would be preaching where it is fertile, the foreign field.
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I don't see a reason for the book study to return. If it was eliminated due to possible legal liability then it will stay dead. The mandatory donations for the magazines are dead forever also, never to return. The congregations exists to benefit the Watchtower Society and not the other way around. The corporation existed before Jehovah's Witnesses became a distinct religion. They like to make us think that the Governing Body runs the show but they do not anymore the way they did before 2000. If any policy they wanted to institute would seriously affect the "cash flow" then I am sure it would be squished but we would never know about it.