Posts by rjharris

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Jesus was a false prophet?

by opusdei1972 in

and he said to them, "i tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of god come with power.

(mark 9:1).

when you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.

rjharris

I am an ex-JW and I understand what you are going with those three scriptures.

Recall Jesus conversation with the Pharisee Nicodemus concerning being born again at John 3:1-8. He made referencing to "seeing" the kingdom of God. Nicodemus (like so many today) did not understand that "born-again" meant being born-again from the dead; in other words, being resurrected to life again. Jesus was saying that unless a person dies FIRST and is brought back to life AGAIN, he will not be able to "see" the kingdom of God. Jesus did not say that "unless one is born again, he cannot "BE" in the kingdom of God. There is a difference between "seeing" the kingdom of God and "being" in the kingdom of God. Jesus was explaining that a resurrection from teh dead back to life is a requirement before one can see teh kingdom of God coming. This seeing is a "perception." During his 1000 year paradise on earth, all of the dead will eventually be resurrected from the dead. Christ will teach all of mankind to "see" Gods king coming from that vantage point forward. No one today can "see" God's kingdom and since they cannot see it, there is no way they can enter into it. (None among mankind has died and been resurrected back to life again in order to "see" and "enter" Gods kingdom except one: Jesus Christ. (John 3:13) We are all today "blind" and cannot see God's kingdom. Any who say they have, are lying.

At Mark 9:1, Jesus was not referring to the death we all will experience - a first death.

Note: All of mankind has a first birth (are born) and a first death. We are born, grow old, get sick and die.

The death Jesus was referring to was the second death. If there is a "second death" there MUST be a "second birth." The second birth all of mankind will have is the resurrection resurrection from the dead.

When all of mankind is born, what to we "see" in front of us as an eventuality? Death. We know that we will die. (Eccl 9:5,10)

When ALL of mankind are resurrected from the dead, behind them is their first births and first deaths. Upon being resurrected, a diferent type of life and death stands in front of them: Eternal Life and The Second Death.

It from this point forward that Jesus was telling his disciples that they will not taste death (the second death) before they see the kingdom of God.

Our being born (first birth) and dying is "definite." In other words, we live to a certain age and we die. It is different with the PAIR second birth (resurrection) and second death. These create a situation of "eternal life" or "eternal death." Eternal death is the Second Death or Lake of Fire. (simply non-existence).

So Jesus was tell those persons at Mark 9:1 that they will be resurrected inteh distant future to life again. From that future time period going forward they will NOT tast the "second death" (go into nonexistence) before they see the kingdom of God come with power.

In other words, they will be resurrected to life again and will "see" God's kingdom coming from the vantage point of being in Christs 1000 year kingdom over the earth.

Christ kingdom of 1000 years is a "definite" one and it MUST end. (Rev 20:7)

When it ends Satan must be released and he will establish a kingdom over the earth for an unspecified period of time. When Satan is released ALL of mankind will be able to "see" (perceive) Gods kingdom coming. Why? Because Christ will have open their eyes to see while ruling during those 1000 years.

It will be after Christs 1000 year kingdoms end and within Satan's Beastly throne, that there will be an eventual persecution of those who refuse to worship the Beast. This will be a time of endurance for them, a Great Tribulation. This tribulation will come at hands of their former brothers and sisters in Christ as all of them will have gone through Christs 1000 year kingdom. Upon Satan's releasing, he will mislead most of them.

Jesus warns at Mark 9:1 that a future time will come (after his 1000 year kingdom ends) that many who are standing here will prove unfaithful and not endure through those trying future times. But they will "see" Gods kingdom but not "enter" into it.

So no, Jesus was not a false Prophet, it is just today most of mankind is "blind" and they follow "blind" religious orgabization. The blind leading the blind.

Matthew 10:23-24 has application to what will occur after Christs 1000 year period ends because the Great Tribulation does not occur within our immediate time period today, but in a distant time period after Christs 1000 year kingdom ends and Satan supplants his kingdom on top of Christs 1000 paradise.

The same applies to Mark 13:24-27, 30. It does not have application to anything today, but in a future time period more than 1000 years way from us AFTER Christs 1000 year kingdom ends.

Many of you are not obeying what God commanded you at Luke 9:35 and that is to listen to his son. You are listening to religious organizations and you view them as an authority and this is what stumbles you to believe Jesus was a false prophet.

The false prophets are standing in front of you and you refuse to recognize them as such. They are religious organizations - ALL OF THEM - to incluse the WTBTS. They are all impostors who "truthfully" teach that Jesus is the Christ, but they mislead many. Matthew 24:4-5.

Do not seek understanding through and from men and their religious organizations, seek understanding, wisdom and knowledge from God through his Son.

How? By prayer. Is this not what Jesus told us to do?

R. Jerome Harris
e-Prophetic.com

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Ransom is not Bible's main teaching: GB

by pixel in

from the gb's new book: god's kingdom rules, chapter 4:.

"faithful early bible students viewed the ransom arrangement as the bible's main teaching" paragraph 9.. .

"the bible students understood that the primary issue was, not personal salvation, but the sanctifying of god's name.

rjharris

The Bible has no teachings; Christ has teachings.

Why is the Bible being ascribed to as being all the things the Son of God is?

For example, people say and believe:

"The Bible" has teachings.

"The Bible" teaches ...

"The Bible" says ...

According to "The Bible" ...

"Bible Students"

"The Bible is the Word of God."

Wait a minute !!!!

If discipleship is to be to Christ then ...

One's mindset should be:

"According to Christ ..."

"Jesus [the] Christ says ..."

"Jesus [the] Christ teaches ..."

"Students of Christ (Disciples of Christ)"

"Jesus Christ is The Word of God" (The ONLY Word of God, not a book called the Bible)

I had a conversation with an individual a few months back and he said to me with reference to John 14:6:

"The Bible says at John 14:6 that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life ..."

I then said to him that the Bible does not say that. He became very upset at me and had me read the Scripture word for word. So I read it:

"Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

"You see," he said, "The Bible does say that so you are wrong (ha! ha!)

I reiterated to him that the Bible does not say that. He became extremely hot at this point and asked, "What is wrong with you, are you blind or something?"

Then I went on to explain to him that "The Bible" does not say that, Jesus says it.

I wanted him to learn what he and so many others do: They ascribe the things God and Christ says as "The Bible" saying it. Thus, giving a book that men themselves named, authorized, made holy, and call the Word of God above God and Christ themselves.

Religious organization is especially guilty of subtly and cleverly placing a book as a teacher or reference in front of persons rather than the one who is our only Teacher, Christ Jesus. The WTBTS official website shouts loudly that it is not Christ - who is The Word of God - that has prominence. It is the Bible, the organization, and the name Jehovah's Witnesses.

Yet, The Most High God as commanded us to listen to the one he sent and authorized. (Luke 9:35)

Now take a look at the home page of the Jehovah's Witnesses official website and count the number of times the expression "Bible" is used compared to the number of times "Christ" or "Jesus" is used.

If Christ said and taught it, then say Christ said and taught it. Don't ascribe those things to a book saying it.

R. Jerome Harris
e-Prophetic.com

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Is their a new holocaust in the making ? Are jews being made the scapegoats again ?

by smiddy in

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mass immigration in the world "seems" to have led to a rise in anti -semitism in the west.

france now has more than six million muslims.. germany now has four million muslims.

the netherlands has almost one million muslims .

rjharris

No new holocaust is in the making.

The natural Israel today is not the Israel of God.

In God's mind a Jew is not a Jew because he was born into that lineage.

"For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God."

This natural Israel today feels itself "privilaged" and is NOT of God. It is a murderer and all who support its murderous acts are bloodguilty. The same holds true of any group (Hamas, Isis, etc) who commit murder.

There is a new Israel (Jew) that is not of blood, but of holy spirit. They are completely severed from the thinking of this world and they do not view any nation or organization as God's chosen.

These are the ones who will be persecuted in future days by those who claim themselves as God's chosen. It will be all of Christianity (to include the WTBTS), natural Israel and her allies who will persecute this "new Jew." They will not accept this new Jew as being from God - just like they did not accept Jesus as being born from God - and will persecute them.

What is being taught today within "Christianity" and the WT is all wrong. They themselves will not be persecuted, they will be the ones doing the persecuting.

It is Christian nations today who are marching across the earth are taking, dominating, making war and controlling. It was the Christian nations who dropped atomic bombs (the most powerful weapon of mass destruction), instituted the African Slave Trade, engaged in the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition, Shock and Awe campaigns ... and one is supposed to believe this is all from God? It is men doing as THEY please and it is shameful that many justify war and murder because they believe Israel is God's chosen people.

Yet, they do not realize that this is not the Israel God had in mind.

R. Jerome Harris
e-Prophetic.com

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Perversion of Baptismal Vows

by AlanF in

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an appendix in the book contains some 120 questions along with hundreds of scriptural "proof texts" that the proselyte is then expected to study.

12 jesus commanded his followers to baptize new disciples in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit.

the following quotation shows what the proselyte is expected to study just prior to baptism:.

rjharris

With all respect, there is no such thing as a "Biblical" notion of baptism. Does a book called "The Bible" dictate here or does God and Christ?

With regards baptism what is called by men - Christianity - has baptism completely wrong and has been "throughly" misled in this regard.

Question: When one thinks of baptism, what does one think about? Baptism in water.

Baptism in water was in the manner of John the Baptizer. He baptized his disciples in water. John the Baptizer knew that at the coming of Christ, his ministry and baptism would diminish and end. That is why John the Baptizer could say at Matthew 3:11:

"I, for my part, baptize YOU with water because of YOUR repentance; but the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not fit to take off. That one will baptize YOU people with holy spirit and with fire."

Thus, their would be a greater baptism and it would not be with water.

The manner of baptism that the WTBTS and indeed all of what is called "Christianity" follows is the manner of John the Baptizer, not that of Christ.

Christ's baptism of his disciples would not be with water, but with holy spirit and fire.

We do not see a single case of Jesus baptizing any of his followers in water. Neither do we see any of his disciples baptizing others - as disciples of Christ - with water. The Ethiopian Eunuch was not a baptism to discipleship as Christs disciple, but as a proselyte into the Jewish religious system as he was reading out of the book of Isaiah and wanted to know about it. He was not interested in Jesus' teachings. So that Ethiopian Eunuch was baptized in the manner of John the Baptizer, not in the manner of Christ.

The question arises: "Did not Jesus get baptized in water?"

Yes, he did but for what purpose? As a public witness to all that baptism in water (in the manner of John the Baptizer) ends. His baptism with water would be the last performed and John the Baptizers disciple-making work now ends. And that his baptism with holy spirit and fire would begin hence forward.

That is why when Jesus came up out of the water, we see God's holy spirit come upon him.

While we do not see Christs disciples being baptized in water, we do see them beng baptized with holy spirit. This is seen at Acts Chapter Two on the Day of Pentecost where his apostles where received this baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Sadly, this baptism in the manner of Christ is rarely spoken of and does not get the prominence that water baptism does. One should ask why?

If John the Baptizers ministry would end and make way for Christs ministry, logically John's Baptism would end and a new baptism - a greater one - would be instituted.

Another question arises: "What about what Jesus said at Matthew 28:19-20 concerning baptism?"

Notice in that Scripture there is no mention of baptism in water. But baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit. Not in the name of John the Baptizer.

Was this not what happened at Jesus baptism? It was a baptism of God's Holy Spirit upon the Son.

Discipleship to Christ (teaching others what he taught) will increase ones faith and knowledge in God and Christ and then there will be a baptism of Holy Spirit.

Christs Apostles did not receive this baptism until long AFTER Christ ascended. Then it was poured out over them. Only those who have received such a baptism in Holy Spirit has the authority to give it to others. THINK ABOUT THE FIVE LOAVES AND TWO FISHES people!

There is something greater there that many have not seen.

Christs baptism in Holy Spirit is given from on disciple (who has received it) two a new convert to discipleship to Christ.

IT IS NOT A RITUAL!

R. Jerome Harris
e-Prophetic.com

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Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?

by prologos in

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or put into other words:.

is armageddon included in in "all the things" that are to come to pass during the 'generation' that jesus spoke about?.

rjharris

Armageddon is not what the religious system called by men say it is – neither is it what the Motion Picture Industry protrays it as.

Armageddon is not a war. It is not a battle.

Armageddon is a PLACE. It is the PLACE in a future earth (after Christs 1000 year kingom ends) where Satan's Throne dwells – his Wild Beast – where resistance to the coming down and establishing on earth Kingdom will be waged. God's Kingdom does not come down until:

Christ's 1000 year definite kingdom has come and gone. ( Rev 20:7 )
The Satan ascends out of the abyss and established his Wild Beast (Throne) on the earth. That throne or kingdom (the PLACE) is Armageddon. ( Rev 20:7 )
The throne of Satan has misled the entire world of those days. ( Rev 20:8 )
The Good News of the Kingdom is preached to all of the inhabitants of the earth in those days by an angel. All inhabitants will be in the Wild Beast.( Rev 14:6 )
Because of the declaration of the angelic message of the Good News of the Kingdom, there is a separation of a few from the Wild Beast as they favorably respond to that message.
These faithful ones (faithful slaves) will be hunted and persecuted by those remaining loyal to and not responding to the angelic declaration of the Good News. This mistreatment of them by their former Brethren is the Great Tribulation. The attempt by their former Brethren (unfaithful) is to get them to re-establish their support to the Wild Beast (Throne of Satan).
God intervenes and first destroys Satan's throne along with it the False Prophet class. Then He destroys those unfaithful ones who persecuted at caused tribulation upon God's faithful servants and who responded to the witness given by the angel when he declared the Good News of the Kingdom. Those destroyed along with Satan will be as the sand of the sea. ( Rev 20:7-10 )
THEN God's indefinite kingdom comes down. ( Revelation 21:1-27 )

See full article: http://www.e-prophetic.com/articles/what-and-when-is-armageddon/

R. Jerome Harris
e-Prophetic.com

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E-Watchman? Thoughts?

by thedepressedsoul in

i stumbled upon the website e-watchman today and while i didn't have time to read over everything i found this thoughts so far quite interesting.

recently when reading matthew i can't help but feel that jesus warnings about the pharisees also applied to the gb and elders.

actually everytime jesus brought them up i realized how similar they are.

rjharris

Robert King is an anomaly who leaves many persons confused. He claims he is of the anointed.

He believes that the WTBTS is God's Earthly Organization gone wayward and he writes to show where he believes it is in error.

Logic dictates that if one believes that the WTBTS is God's earthly organization and God provides it with "food at the proper time" why is there a need for him or anyone else like him to show their error? If it is truly God's earthly organization - the truth - there should be no need for it?

That Robert King does this tells me he is still in captivity to the organization.

God has no earthly organization. Christ never spoke of one and never spoke of one coming.

Actually, there would be no need for an "earthly organization" if God's Kingdom will one day in the future "come down" (envelope) to the earth. (Matthew 6:9-10).

The "concept" of God having an earthly organization is a man-made "Christ-defying" concept. It is a machination to control mankind, enslave it, and block access to the truth about the Creator and Christ.

The world is so far removed from this knowledge, that 99.9% of what is being taught about God and Christ is in error.

If you think Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, Angels, Jesus, etc are White people you have been taken for a roller coaster ride that has made you sick. Christ does not exist in the form of a man of any race among the human family. Yet, how is he - and the others I mentioned - portrayed in art, film and literature? If you "Google" any of the persons I mentioned above and click on "Images" what do you see?

My point here is that the true presentation of God and Christ and Christs teachings are completley and totally distorted so badly, that the knowledge of them is virtually lost. And, when one hears the truth about them from a small voice in the wilderness, they will reject it because it is not what "bulk" religion teaches.

In the proverbial wilderness - where Christ is - there are no city lights that block drown out the beauty of the stars. There are no "city noises" to drown out hearing the truth.

Religious organization - which is a vast city - is too noisy and Christ has never been the city. (Hebrews 13:13-14)

Robert King is still in the city and in captivity to the city like millions upon millions of others.

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Is God evil, just because he fails to prevent suffering?

by defender of truth in

a poster on another thread made the following comment, that really made me think.. it is about god: .

"imo i would say [god is] not evil but just indifferent.

apathy allows it.

rjharris

People have power to prevent suffering.

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Just Curious About Something

by EmptyInside in

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sorry,couldn't think of a better title for this post,without it being long.. i was thinking this morning,if ex-jws, who were born into the group less likely to join another religion after leaving.

vs. the witnesses who belonged to a church before joining the religion.. from my own prespective,being raised a witness,i have no intention of joining any religion.

and it seems that born-ins are less likely to join a religion after leaving the cult.. in my own experience,i think it's religious burn-out to tell the truth.

rjharris

Interesting question. I believe those born into the religious group in the Post Gulf War era are more likely to leave the religious organization because they are more liberal and free-thinking than their parents and grand parents in the religious group.

Younger persons tend to see the hypocrisy not only within the WTBTS teachings and practices, but also in all religious organizations especially those claiming to be of God and Christ. The younger generation tends to ask more questions.

Unlike days gone by, research resources are at ones finger tips and information can be found relatively quickly without having to take a trip to the library and more people today have computers with Internet access than in the previous years.

As an ex-JW of 30 years (disassociated), I remember articles in the WT publications long ago warning of the dangers of the Internet. It was almost as if the Society was saying the Internet was a bad thing. I believe the organization was discouraging use of the Internet back then because it contained information - if one looked hard enough - that revealed a great many things the Society was keeping hidden from its membership. There were also many well meaning and concerned ex-JWs who were expelled from the organization during the 1980s "purge" at the headquarters and the organization was attempting to keep its existing membership from finding out the truth about what happened there. A lot of information was circulating on the Internet back then by those expelled members that the organization labeled as apostates. Thus, by labeling many of those poor and innocent expelled Brothers and Sisters as "apostates," the organization had an effective tool to keep what really happened under raps. This "apostate" label is still effectively used today for information suppression. If anyone today were to read any of Charles Taze Russells many publications, he would sound like the WT definition of an apostate. It is not by accident (but by design) that C.T. Russell's publications do not appear in the "public" WT library and CD.

When I first began to associate with the JWs, I was earnestly seeking God and the truth. I prayed to God and I was a sponge soaking up all I could learn about them. Unknown to me back then was that I was being subtly indoctrinated to fit into the Watch Tower mold. Like all JWs, it started with a "Bible Study" and then "regular meeting attendance" and then a dedication and then baptism. Unknown to me back then was what were called "Bible Studies" were not really "Bible Studies" they were "Studies of the Watch Tower Publications." Those publications did not require "study" as "study" implies reading and formulating your own questions. As all you know, the publications have questions already prepared for you and the answers are in the paragraphs. One is really never allowed to "think for themselves" as the thinking is done for them.

Additionally, I have come to understand that one should not be "studying" the Bible or making "Bible Students." Rather Christ commanded us to make disciples to him. In other words, "Students of Christ."

Many assume incorrectly that study of the Bible is the same as being a disciple of Christ. Not so. Christ had no book to teach what "he" taught and neither did his disciples back then. This book called the Bible surfaced many hundreds of years after Christ ascended. The Bible has effectively replaced Christ as the Word of God. A book and the Son of God BOTH cannot be The Word of God. That many have been indocrinated into believing that they are, has led to much confusion because it becomes a matter of "The Bible says ..." versus what "Christ says ..." Yet, The Most High God told us to listen to the one He sent. (Luke 9:35)

The Bible is NOT Christ.

Religious organization stands up today for one purpose: To block the truth about God and Christ and to take control over that which God's son died for and purchased with his "own blood."

It inserts itself in between man and his owner and Head, Christ. It even claims to speak for Christ. (1 Cor 11:3)

Jesus foretold the coming of this impostor that would come on the basis of his name truthfully teaching that he is the Christ, but would mislead many. This misleading is away from God through Christ and a coralling of men and women into human organizations where they can be controlled.

One should seriously asked themselves: "Why would any religious organization want control over persons? Why would religious organizations seek to take ownership of that which is not theirs? if Christ died for all of mankind, it is Christ - not religious organizations - that is the owner, Lord and Master of mankind.

Only a thief would take what is not his. Religious organization - all of it - yes, all of Christianity to include the WTBTS, are thieves. They have taken control over another persons slaves and his household and ransacked it with false teachings and ritualism.

Count it as a blessing if you are not a part of any religious system. You will be the wiser if you continue to seek God and the truth. This is done by simply asking for it via prayer to the Father (Creator of all). Jesus knew this as he taught:

"And all the things YOU ask in prayer, having faith, YOU will receive." (Matthew 21:22)

Yet, many "ask" the organization to give them wisdom, understanding and knowledge. And, this is exactly what the organization wants its membership to do. To be dependent upon it.

I submit to YOU: Suppose you ask the Father in heaven for understanding about a teaching such as 1914 and it is revealed to you that it is a false teaching that He nor His Son created.

You will have a problem with the WT organization as it wants you to listem to THEM.

Depend upon (have faith) in what God through Christ provides us, not in what men and their religious organizations provide us.

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You should meet Brother Smart Engineer

by garyneal in

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my wife, who now thinks i am not competent enough to discuss spiritual matters with the kids, thinks that i could really benefit from discussing matters of the bible with this nasa engineer who attends meetings at her kingdom hall.

apparently, he is quite knowledgeable in the bible and has a good grasp of their doctrines.

at least according to her as i never actually spoken with the man at length but i do know that he is an elder.

rjharris

What I am about to say is said as a wake up call and with all respect and concern:

Ones knowledge should not be excelling in "The Bible." It should be excelling in Christ and what he taught.

There are many persons who are adept at discussing the Bible, but inept at discussing Christs teachings.

The Bible and Christs teachings are not the same thing. The Bible cannot be what Christ is: The Word of God.

It is men who have elevated a book to the same status as Christ. As there is only one God, there is only one Word of God, not two.

Persons who believe the Bible is the Word of God place themselves in a situtation mentioned at Matthew 6:24:

"No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other."

The Bible as a master and Christ as a master.

The Bible is a book. Christ is a person.

One is a false master. The other our true and one and only master.

Listening to the Bible will cause one to cling to it and despise Christ (in a spiritual sense).

Proof of this can be seen by looking at the official JW website. Notice what is promoted more than anything else: The Bible.

Notice what JW seek to make: Bible Studies or Bible Students or Disciples (Students) of the Bible.

We we should not be making Bible Students, but rather Disciples or Student of Christ. This is Christs command to his disciples at Matthew 28:19-20:

"Go therefore and make disciples ..."

There are those who ask, "How else can I learn about Christ if it was not for the Bible?"

I say to those persons, "You have no faith and you act as if Christ is dead. You learn about God and Christ by prayer."

Ones knowledge of God and Christ is limited when they rely on what they can see on the printed page. What one can see does not require faith. (Heb 11:1)

However, an exercise of faith in approaching the invisible God through His invisible (and alive) Son in prayer provides us far far more than a book ever can. The problem is that few misuse prayer and have not come to understand that is why it is there. It is our communication channel to the Most High God through his Son.

If I need to understand a weighty matter, I don't need to use a book ( I can see) to find the solution or answer. I can prayer to the Father who I cannot see in faith through His Son and it is through that same channel that I will receive from the Bible. (John 14:6 and John 4:23-24)

Yet, religious organization - and indeed all of Christianity - has duped the world into relying on a book and calls this book The Word of God.

This is blasphemous and makes those persons idolators since they mave made another Word of God for themselves.

The Most High God has spoken and has told us who to exclusively listen to. We are not to listen to any religious organization by any name or to any human agency. We are to listen to only one; the one The Most High chose and authorized.

Men authorized a book and have chosen that book. God, on the other hand, authorized, sent and chose His Son.

"And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." (Luke 9:35)

Fear of men have millions revering there organizations a book (which is their image) rather than Christ himself and what he taught.

Proof: Did Jesus ever say that he would return in 1914? Did he ever tell his disciples to look for a date? Or is this something religious organization says?

In fact, what did Jesus say concerning his return?

"Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming." (Matthew 24:42, see Matthew 24:36 and Acts 1:7)

See my point? Men use the Bible to derive a date. Jesus says you DO NOT KNOW. So who is being listened to? The Bible (and the organizations who revere it) or Christ himself.

Wake up people!

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Israel's Defense

by Paris in

this is interesting.

lots of posts praising and defending palestinians .

i have yet to see one post from anyone defending israel.

rjharris

Speaking from the perspective of being a Disciple of Christ: Both Israel and the Palestinians are murderous and hypocritcal. Both mock the God they claim to worship.

Any taking sides with either group have taken a stand against Christ and the things he taught.

True disciples of Christ rise above the mire the world attempts to keep everyone in. The world wants you to take sides in its murderous miltary conflicts.

The world is very clever in that it has systems of religion established to "massage the conscience" in order to dupe persons into believing that their "viewpoints" are "godly" and that God is with them.

Yet, it is really quite simple: How would Christ view what is happening today? Would he be afraid to speak about the murderous acts of both sides? Would be be afraid to call a hypocrite a hypocrite?

I find it very interesting that the so-called "Christian" world has been largely silent. Why? Because it believes Israel is God's chosen and that what is happening today is prophetic. This is a big mistake.

This is not the Israel referred to in Scripture.

Want to defend something? Defend what Christ taught.

R. Jerome Harris
e-Prophetic.com