13 also, whatever it is that you ask in my name, i will do this, in order that the father may be glorified in connection with the son.
so is it correct to say that if we ask jehovah something in prayer, it's jesus that will grant the prayer, since he said "if you ask in my name, i will do it"?.
i always thought that it was jehovah whom we pray to, and he was the one who would answer our prayer, not jesus.
Many may not agree with me, don’t know, but, it seems to me that we’re supposed to pray to Jesus. I concluded that what Jesus was saying with regard to the Father is, because Jesus would not be able to answer our prayers without the Father. I've read those verses and others on that subject over and over trying to make sense of them, that's what I came up with and I'm comfortable with it.
plm
just ranting .
as it was in the days of noah, so it will be at the coming of the son of man.
37but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
If they said well it will be here in 400 years everyone would stop going to meetings the very next week!
LOL! You are probably right about that! The thought of being destroyed during Armageddon with no hope of resurrection is enough to keep anyone going to the meetings, but dying BEFORE Armageddon, who cares! It would be an easy out/free pass card.
here's an excerpt from a bbc.co.uk article i just read:.
"the holy koran recognises jesus as a prophet.
what the book says is an insult to both christians and muslims," maulana mansoor ali khan, general secretary of the all-india sunni jamiyat-ul-ulema, told the reuters news agency.
Just came back from seeing the movie. I'm glad I saw it. I thought it was entertaining. It could have moved a bit faster.
plm
just ranting .
as it was in the days of noah, so it will be at the coming of the son of man.
37but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
Saddam Hussein is the Beast of Revelation who is rebuilding "Babylon the Great"I started attending the meetings for a short time in the 90’s and missed out on most of that. I caught slivers of it here and there.
I watch some of the TV evangelizers for a hootI’ve done it. I remember the first time I noticed an evangelizer carrying on about “living in the last days” (Paul&Jan from “The Crystal Cathedral” in Costa Mesa) I remember thinking ‘whoa’ I thought we were the only ones to do that. It seems to me that jws have out done the others when it comes to pounding it in. The other evangelizers are quite a bit more animated though and funny to watch.
i had a long discussion the other day with my new flatmate, who it turns out has studied with jws and thinks they're wonderful, about my view that being raised a jw is psychologically abusive.
being indoctrinated with the concept of jehovah killing people who don't do what he says and being scared of losing your friends and family if disobedient is, in my view, a very unhealthy thing for a child.
any thoughts?
When I was a Witness kid, I thought the Catholic kids had it much rougher than I did. I still think some did. I could eat a hamburger on Friday. Some of the Dutch Reformed couldn't have TV, just radio. Mennonite kids had to wear home made clothes with no metal used on the clothes. I thought I had a pretty liberal life compared to those groups. Then I saw the Amish.
I felt the same way as Gary on this subject.
I grew up around kids from different backgrounds and some I felt REAL sorry for more then I ever felt sorry for myself.
Example: No TV allowed in the house, no pictures allowed on the walls. Girls could not wear pants. There are some extreme religions out there and I would guess jws are perhaps in the top 20, if I had to make a guess.
We were abused growing up because my dad was an asshole. He found a religion that made him feel justified being an asshole. He abused his authority as a father and husband and used/misused the WT to validate his attitude.
I do believe it really depends on the parents and how they teach their children to handle/carry themselves regardless of what type of “borg” they grow up in.
plm
just ranting .
as it was in the days of noah, so it will be at the coming of the son of man.
37but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
someday, they'll actually get something slighty, partially right
The odds are in thier favor to someday get something right.
I came back to this thread with the stupid idea that at least ONE die-hard would have a comment but I guess I was hoping for way too much. It's funny how some of the most obvious simple questions are avoided.
plm
just ranting .
as it was in the days of noah, so it will be at the coming of the son of man.
37but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
JW's wouldn't exist if it weren't for the passionate pursuit of prophetic fortune-telling.
It's kinds ironic they have yet to witness anything.
Thanks for the comments
plm
just ranting .
as it was in the days of noah, so it will be at the coming of the son of man.
37but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
figure out something worthwhile to do with their time
or just figure out something...anything at all would do.
just ranting .
as it was in the days of noah, so it will be at the coming of the son of man.
37but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
Once they've got you hooked, then they have to play a delicate game juggling with scriptures and dates to keep hope alive for believers,
I first became angry with them when I was in school back in 1975 and we didn't die. I didn't stop believing then, but I stopped believing anything the gb had to say. My beef is with adults they still keep NOT paying attention to these things. I was a KID! and got it.
plm
just ranting .
as it was in the days of noah, so it will be at the coming of the son of man.
37but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
double partial posting booboo
