I vaguely remember something along the lines of not mentioning individual witnesses' names when praying publicly on behalf of the congregation. There was a time when brothers would include the names of members who were sick, however I think they put a stop to this. I cannot imagine what scriptural precedent they came up with for this change.
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Praying for others?
by pixel ini’m looking for an article, from the watchtower, where it says that we should not pray for other members from the stage.
does anyone remember an article saying this?.
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Just invited to a zoom memorial.
by Overrated inwalked away from the trooth years ago(over 20) my older sister sends me an invite to the memorial via zoom.
i have no interest in jwism at all.
should i ignore or respond?.
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I also received the invite from my cousin. He has not been in touch with me for over 5 years, then suddenly, out of the blue, he sends an impersonal, stock WT worded message along with the memorial invite.
I was initially hurt that he would send such a cold introduction when we had once been close. No words of affection, no enquiry about me or my family.
Once my initial feelings had subsided, I felt the best option would be to entirely ignore anything related to JW. I replied how lovely it was to hear from him, briefly updated him on my and my children's life and finished by saying that we were all happier than we'd ever been.
When I first left JWs, I would feel obligated to justify my reasons. I now realise that no logical argument will have any effect on a closed mind. The best course of action for me is to sidestep any religious discussion and focus on the way my life has exponentially improved since leaving. This says far more than I ever could.
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Looking Back Were There Any “Apostates” In Your Congregation?
by minimus ini remember knowing some jws that expressed their own personal viewpoints regarding what a scripture meant that was at odds with society teachings.
in the 60 and 70’s, that was pretty much tolerated until the great purge in 1979 and 1980. as a matter of fact, it wasn’t unusual for witnesses to get together and discuss personal questions and viewpoints they might have.
it wasn’t unusual to send letters to the society asking what was considered the right or wrong view.
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I remember a brother being removed as an elder in the late '70s. He was my book study overseer and when he announced it to the group after the meeting, he said something to suggest that the reason he was removed from his position was because some people didn't like some of the things he said. I was young and didn't understand what he meant at the time. Looking back I recall people whispering about him believing certain ideas that weren't in line with the GB's teachings
He and his family remained in the congregation until one Sunday morning, a few minutes before the public talk was about to start, he had an altercation with a special pioneer and was forceably bundled out of the hall by a posse of elders.
This was a shocking incident and talked about by many for a good while.
He was never disfellowshipped, but even as a child I knew from the adults that we should have nothing to do with him or his wife and he was referred to as an apostate.
I never saw the family again.
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I have been out of the cult for 10 years now! What is their latest stance on Vaccines or the Covid-19 Vac? Any insiders?
by Intel ini used to be very active on this board - 14 years ago (redpill2006...still remember blondie, barbara and many others).
then left the cult for good 10 years ago (ex-bethelite, ex-elder).
today, after so many years, i decided to come back because there is an issue that is nagging in my mind.
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I spoke with my JW mother today who informed me that the congregation has been told they may have the current vaccine because there is no blood in it.
She did not mention anything about what methods were used to create the vaccine.
This is in the UK. I don't know what the stance is in other countries.
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Very good and recent recording of a judicial committee
by StoneWall incame across this today and wished to share it with any that might want to hear.this happened within and over the last few months as you can tell from their references to covid-19 and the precautions they are having to take and you will hear a few dates mentioned as you listen.the first part is good but it gets even better in the second part (final).i'm really impressed with the knowledge this "apostate" has and how well he conducted himself.so much i could say but will let you see for yourself.love to see when others aren't intimidated or humiliated by the so called "loving" brothers on the committee.part 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz0tm1mrbfcpart 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i92w4mv5gf0.
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I have only listened to the first part so far but it seems to me their sole argument was to repeat "we are doing things Jehovah's way" yet they did not turn to one scripture to back up these claims that their judicial procedure is theocratic.
I am so glad that more and more JCs are being recorded and shared online. No one listening objectively could come to any conclusion other than that the elders are brain washed puppets of an organization led by cruel ego maniacs.
I feel ashamed that I was part of this organisation for so long.
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Leaked WT Elder Training Video
by Vanderhoven7 inhttps://youtu.be/2nacvosx8n0.
good to see the caring brothers help establish depth of guilt..
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I found this extremely uncomfortable to watch.
Robbie was told :This is not a court of law" That became all too apparent. He would have received less harsh treatment in a "worldly" court. The elder said that they must all be convinced of his repentance in order to show mercy. Isn't this entirely the wrong way round? Law courts have the responsibility to establish guilt beyond all reasonable doubt to return a guilty verdict.
Their creepy, pseudo-gentle demeanour cannot fool anyone. This organisation is cruel, self righteous and judgemental.
Appalling.
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have you heard anything ?
by lancelink ini was a witness from grade school ( 1976) until 2007. i seem to remember an important aspect that was always talked about at the hall as being a fact.they would say that "the rocks themselves would cry out" if the public preaching work was to stop,,,,, all i've seen and heard these past few months are the witnesses complaining about the witnessing work coming to a halt.but i've not heard one rock crying .. .
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i received this in an email from a non jw friend this week. It made us both chuckle CM
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Were You Willing To Die For Jehovah?
by minimus inwe were supposed to be dedicated unconditionally to jehovah god.
we were willing to be persecuted to the death if need be.
if it came to taking a blood transfusion or dying, we were loyal to jehovah and would be a martyr for god.
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I am afraid that I was absolutely loyal to the ideal. I refused a blood transfusion.
While drifting in and out of consciousness, my two main thoughts were "I must not accept blood" and "What will happen to my young children if I die"
I find it difficult to comprehend just how indoctrinated I was. It is scary.
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Christmas Eve ,and what am I going to watch tomorrow on Xmas day. Any suggestions ?
by smiddy3 ini`m thinking of "the life of brian " .
chevy chase and one or two of his" vacation" movies .
i will give a miss on mel gibsons "the passion of christ" ?
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Went out and bought The Muppet Christmas Carol especially to watch on Christmas Eve.
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Upon learning of a terminal illness would you return to being a JW to appease your family?
by NVR2L8 inthis is an hypothetical question...i am doing well.
but i was thinking about how my jw family, grandchildren and all will feel when their inactive grandfather dies with no hope of being reunited in paradise.
of course there would be immediate rejoicing if i came back to the "truth" and a surge of conditional love from the "friends".
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No. Never going back.