uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
to have a guaranteed hope for salvation, one must still take a stand for Jehovah (i.e. become one of Jehovah's Witnesses
This is what Lloyd still thinks. He still said they teach that “to have a guaranteed hope for salvation, one must still take a stand for Jehovah (i.e. become one of Jehovah's Witnesses”
but that is old light, the new light 2023 AGM is that unrighteous ones may survive
the unrighteous don’t need to die before hand as the old doctrine said
there is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.
the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .
even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.
The one time Tony the Turd did anything right, they booted him--for resisting mandatory coronavirus shots for the whole congregation
Where did you hear this? I heard the opposite. He himself came on the covid updates saying “go get vaccinated” and he said one church was so against Jehovah by saying the vaccines are from satans world
yes he really said those things
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
Yes you are right AGM and Recent watchtower changed it that maybe we will have a hailstorm message or maybe not.
Its a contradiction if we still believe in the hailstorm message where we go around saying there is no hope for you but this is just to tell you that you are going to die.
now they are saying that even unrighteous ones will survive Armageddon
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ap8kcp/robert_hendricks_removed robert hendricks removed?.
any info would be appreciated..
Who is next? Well three members of the GB are growing facial hair now. But who would want to give up the lifestyle and the rock God admiration
The GB have changed so much since broadcasting. We used to hardly know what they looked like unless you were in Bethel.
They each have an entourage of personal assistants, drivers, health professionals and even nutritionists that fly around the world with them and stay in the same fancy hotels.
Now they also have brothers assigned as bodyguards as apparently one time Steve Letts wife was knocked over and hurt by the crowd trying to get close to him for a selfie.
Now they have a team of body guards wherever they go. One sister was heard saying “you are getting in my way” and the brother said yes I’m doing it on purpose our job is to keep people back.
for those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.
are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.
what is the response?.
It’s just a social thing for most of us now and maybe this is by design. The GB did hire a PR company as they were so desperate to stop the bleeding.
My guess is that the GB paid millions for a PR company to come up with obvious suggestions many of which we have seen implemented already.
Next is slacking off even more on old direction and an easier more pleasant JW lite approach. Where all members don’t feel like they are being pressured to do more all the time as they used to be pressured.
The new way is to just try to participate once a month which means having a chat to someone or sending a welfare message.
You don’t need to to door to door anymore.
You also don’t need to fear like you used to. This is a hard change for long time JWs but the new light is that even unrighteous ones may survive Armageddon.
the new JWs don’t feel guilty like they used to, you can be in the fringes but nobody frowns on you like they used to.
most of the congregation is the same these days on the fringes and nobody frowns on them, except a few die hard pioneers who moan that they don’t have any support on the ministry as nobody does door to door anymore
so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.
old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.
the “door of the ark” is closed.
I was one of the many who spent much of my life preaching. I actually thought I was helping people to have a better life now by ‘applying Bible principles.’
There is a real problem with ones who have pioneered for years thinking the congregation owes them something.
any tradesmen or tradeswomen or any goods or services should be cheaper for pioneers for some reason.
the Saying is they have pioneered for years so can you do them a favour or even give them for free.
the problem is the person losing money has also pioneered for years
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ap8kcp/robert_hendricks_removed robert hendricks removed?.
any info would be appreciated..
I would guess similar to Tony Morris they would give him a large golden handshake to sign a non disclosure
they may even buy him a couple of houses like they did Tony.
I do hope the truth comes out about Tony and now Robert
there is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.
the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .
even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.
There is a real problem with ones who have pioneered for years thinking the congregation owes them something.
any tradesmen or tradeswomen or any goods or services should be cheaper for pioneers for some reason.
the Saying is they have pioneered for years so can you do them a favour or even give them for free.
the problem is the person losing money has also pioneered for years
there is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.
the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .
even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.
They have a lot more to ease up on. Blood, birthdays becoming conscience matters.
even smoking weed for medical purposes could become conscience matter
there is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.
the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .
even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.
There is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about. The new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach
Even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off. It was covid that changed everything. People never went back in any meaningful way. Ten mins door to door is about it. Evidenced by the fact that the territory maps are just not getting done.
Zoom ministry is just an excuse for a social club. Meeting in people’s homes is usually hybrid groups these days. The ones on zoom get to chat to ones in person attending the group.
The latest thing is if it’s a lovely day letter writing in the park. Yes that’s actually a thing.
Many just say ‘park witnessing’ which just means a walk around the park looking for people to chat to.
there is a new approach these days of just chatting and listening not even talking about the Bible at all first time.
in one of the videos a sister said she loves the new way, she just talks to people about anything and doesn’t bring up the Bible at all.
