LUKE 1:8 -- "He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.""
Luke 1:8 doesn’t say that. Did you make a mistake?
Mikejw
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Dates and times
by jhine inlast night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .
we have been working through the whole letter.
verses 1-11 start with .
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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions
by slimboyfat ini’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
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Mikejw
There is no point in a hailstorm message and actually no point in ministry now. There is no point being a JW either as Br Jackson said you don’t have to wish your unrighteous loved ones have to die before Armageddon. The unrighteous may make it into the new world if they die before or are still alive when it starts.
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Request-Addendum-Elders Manual-February S-147-Announcements!
by Atlantis infiles for request.. 2023-2024 addendum to shepherd the flock of god.--english.
2023-10 shepherd the flock of god manual--english.
2024-february announcements and reminders--english.
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Mikejw
Isn’t it embarrassing how they keep changing it?
I remember reading a part in an elders meeting and another elder telling me his was different, another elder had one that was different again
we all couldn’t work out which was the latest version
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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions
by slimboyfat ini’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
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Mikejw
The everyone will now be saved part is the largest change in the history of the organisation.
The official change takes some thinking about.
Old light is that you have to die before Armageddon if you were unrighteous. But now they are saying you don’t have to die beforehand if you are unrighteous.
They did not think this through and they should have run it past someone intelligent before announcing it.
But now the cat is out of the bag. So many older ones with unrighteous loved ones have been so relieved that their loved ones don’t need to die before the end!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Mikejw
Lloyd needs to redact his mistake saying the new light on who will survive Armageddon is a nothing burger.
I have tried to have conversations about the AGM asking questions about who will survive Armageddon now? They don’t like confronting this question. They really try to avoid it and not think about it.
I force someone to confront it. We used to believe unrighteous had to die beforehand to make it into the new world. But now they are saying this unrighteous one does not have to die before to make it into the new world.
If a JW confronts this new light they can’t fail to have doubts about what the GB is saying, and what they have always said.
I do believe the most profound part of the last AGM was when Br Jackson said “we know some of you were hoping your unrighteous loved ones die before Armageddon!!!!“
but now they are saying the unrighteous don’t have to die before Armageddon to make it into the new world.
This is so profound and huge I would say the largest change in the last century or so. And Lloyd either missed it, didn’t understand it or refuses to understand it. He says it’s a nothing burger.
His best bee in his bonnet was to say that JWs believe that everyone not a JW will be slaughtered at Armageddon. Now this change at the AGM they don’t believe that anymore.
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Field Service
by Ding infor those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.
are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.
what is the response?.
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Mikejw
It’s many years since I was serving(working) in Bethel but I still recall vividly conversations held in hushed tones where we admitted together some doubts. And I’m referring to members of a branch committee no less! so yes, I don’t just wonder, I know.
The thing is that they have so much invested into life in the borg, that they cannot bring themselves to face up to “the real troof”. Ray Franz referred to their cognitive dissonance.
Yes it’s called sunk cost fallacy. I have tried to have conversations about the AGM asking questions about who will survive Armageddon now? They don’t like confronting this question. They really try to avoid it and not think about it.
I force someone to confront it. We used to believe unrighteous had to die beforehand to make it into the new world. But now they are saying this unrighteous one does not have to die before to make it into the new world.
If a JW confronts this new light they can’t fail to have doubts about what the GB is saying, and what they have always said.
I do believe the most profound part of the last AGM was when Br Jackson said “we know some of you were hoping your unrighteous loved ones die before Armageddon!!!!“
but now they are saying the unrighteous don’t have to die before Armageddon to make it into the new world.
This is so profound and huge I would say the largest change in the last century or so. And Lloyd either missed it, didn’t understand it or refuses to understand it. He says it’s a nothing burger.
His best bee in his bonnet was to say that JWs believe that everyone not a JW will be slaughtered at Armageddon. Now this change at the AGM they don’t believe that anymore.
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Field Service
by Ding infor those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.
are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.
what is the response?.
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Mikejw
The entire organisation is not what it used to be. Everything is changing at such a fast pace.
at this rate it will be completely different again in another tennyears
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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions
by slimboyfat ini’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
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Mikejw
Until we get an official new light making it clear this is an updated understanding then the official doctrine is still what was previously said. Even if it was a long time ago
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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions
by slimboyfat ini’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
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Mikejw
It’s all so convoluted and confusing
they don’t even know what the official doctrine is anymore
they will hide behind we can’t be dogmatic and we don’t know
there was a recent video showing an old brother and a young brother getting ready to go on cart witnessing. Two cops walk past and the young brother covers up the JW logo, and the old brother gives him a prep talk about trusting Jehovah and not showing fear
its a bit ambiguous but I think it meant something about the judgment message
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Mikejw
Take a sister who has a son brought up in the faith. He leaves and becomes a drug addict living a life of crime and violence to support his habit.
He is now unrighteous. The old light if he died before Armageddon he would survive but if he was alive then he would not survive.
Brother Jackson said “we know some of you were hoping your unrighteous loved ones would die before Armageddon” he said again in whinny voice “we know that’s what some of you were thinking”
but then he said “does that really make sense” as if he is so smart and all of those believing that old light are so stupid.
Does he not realise it was the GB that made millions of people believe something so stupid.
but now he is saying they don’t have to die beforehand. That junky son may survive Armageddon just as if he died beforehand.
they really do not think things through before announcing this new light. They should run it by someone smarter before announcing it to the world