i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
So someone with unbelieving loved ones, they are good people but for whatever reason don’t ever want to become JWs. THEY DO NOT RESPOND during the Great Tribulation,.
You still think if they died before Armageddon they would have a chance at the 1000 yr reign but they would be slaughtered by Jeh all because the time they died was inconvenient? That is old light. That is exactly what Br Jackson said “we know that is what some of you were hoping that your loved ones would die beforehand
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
I’m confused as to what you believe they are saying but I’m not confused to what they are saying the new light is.
I don’t see why you would be confused though, only the really really bad people won’t get resurrected or will be killed at Armageddon. Do you agree there is no difference if they died before or are alive during?
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
Notsure you keep believing the old light that it would be better if your unrighteous loved ones died before Armageddon? The new light is it makes no difference the exact words are that when someone dies or doesn’t die makes no difference.
Jesus H Christ go back and listen to what Brother Jackson announced as new light.
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
So you agree that everyone who died will be resurrected unless really really bad?
Simple question IF SOME OF THOSE WERE STILL ALIVE DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE LESS CHANCE?
there is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.
the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .
even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.
I agree Phizzy. But if you are only just JW in name only (JWLITE) then you don’t necessarily say sod it and stop going for the social club aspects. You can still go occasionally if you want or go long times having nothing to do with em. This is the change, it used to be frowned upon but not anymore 😀😀👍
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
I have refuted all your points notsure
The simplest refute is that you keep believing the old light that it would be better if your unrighteous loved ones died before Armageddon.
We agree that pretty much everyone who ever died throughout history will get a chance at the 10000 yr reign unless they were really really bad?
But you still think they have less of a chance at the 1000 year reign if they are alive at Armageddon? This is old light.
We can’t disagree on who will be classed as really really bad because the new light is we don’t know. But they hint at ones in the past who we thought would not get a resurrection now maybe they will. We just don’t know that.
But what they say is clear is that there is no difference between dying before or being alive at Armageddon
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
This is the new light. It is that Billions will survive Armageddon and only the really, really bad ones will be killed or not get a resurrection. If they died beforehand or not makes zero difference.
All those who died through history will get a chance at the 1000 year reign unless they were really really bad.
All those alive at Armageddon will get a chance at the 1000 year reign unless they were really really bad.
Its so simple. Watch the AGM again, read those study watchtowers again. Who will be classed as really really bad, we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know.
there is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.
the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .
even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.
So much has changed. Now no more reporting and hardly any door to door.
At Saturday morning ministry groups it’s just a social event and planning where to meet up later for refreshments.
Some do ‘letter writing’ which code for try to make it sound like I’m doing something when I’m not. Many say informal work in parks or walks by the water. This is just chatting to dog walkers or those others out for a stroll.
The new methods are not necessarily mentioning Bible but just talk to people about what they want to talk about.
I wonder if this new shake up was from the PR company they hired. Along with the new light that Billions will survive Armageddon and only the really bad ones will be killed or not get a resurrection. It’s very clever and have to admit it’s working.
People look forward to Saturday new methods and the get togethers afterwards,
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
Or to put it another way, if unbelievers are not as likely to survive as those those who have died are likely to be resurrected, then people might as well go back to hoping their relatives die before Armageddon again, because they still have a better chance of making it to the new system that way. But that’s precisely what the GB member says it’s no longer necessary to think.
Hit the nail on the head there Slim.
Notsure does not want to understand the new light for reason stated in my last post.
Notsure and Lloyd Evens cling on to the old light for multiple reasons and think this new light is a nothing burger.
The old light is that unbelieving loved ones would be better off dying before Armageddon than being alive during it. But the new light clearly says they have the same chance regardless.
Only really bad people will not get a resurrection or will be killed at Armageddon. If they died beforehand or not makes no difference this is the new light that these ones don’t like.
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
the article says that just very few wicked people isn't gonna be resurrected, like Judas Iscariot and not surprising 'unrepentant apostates' , that leaves the door open for almost everybody.
Only the incorrigibly bad won’t get a shot at the 1000 year reign. If you die beforehand or are alive at Armageddon you have the same chance.
it is really simple and very clear new light, I think some xJWs want to cling on to the old light that many will be slaughtered at Armageddon. Maybe this was one of the best topics for waking up JWs which is why the new light was made up?
Now billions may survive Armageddon we just don’t know. But xJWs can’t use the old light anymore
