Posts by theliberator

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

theliberator

I agree with myelaine. Jesus Christ and his Father mean more to me now than they ever did when I was in the Watchtower. Ironically, it was due to the fact that after leaving, I could explore philosophy concerning God's existence. I could look at both sides of scientific "logic" vs God's presence. I could examine the "Jesus Seminar". I read things that were once "forbidden." Critical thinking has drawn me to the conclusion that Christ was not only historical but is the Son of God. But I will say this, when I come here, I do not get angry at atheists. My brother became hard core atheist after leaving the Watchtower. But him and I still laugh and have many good conversations. After experiencing the Watchtower, can we expect anything else, other than the majority turning to atheism? It is actually worse with Mormons. Spiritual abuse leads to a greater number of atheists. And so for me personally, I feel that even God understands why you feel the way you do. Most people literally don't have enough years in there life to recover from spiritual abuse. And so when I see such comments it doesn't anger me like it used to. I think about the people who killed Jesus and what Christ shouted: "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing."- Luke: 23. 34. So if Christ was willing to look past what those men were doing to him, surely he understands why we speak the things we do about him now, after being spiritually abused all those years. Especially you Terry. You gave everything to that sick organization and got nothing in return. Christ was fully aware of the abuse the people were experiencing then. He was angry with the religious leaders. He stood up for the common people who were hurting. And so God " knows how we are made. He remembers that we are dust." - Psalm: 103. 14.

"God is greater than our heart, and knows all things". - 1 John

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Do you have a Watchtower fantasy?

by pleaseresearch in

picture yourself, it's the last day of a three day district assembly.

your sitting in a near full to capacity football stadium.

people are eagerly looking forward to the final talk.

theliberator

I actually fantasize about such things. Jwfacts I believe, has a story of an elder who was to give a talk, but instead gave his own talk, and used it to disassociate himself. You're making me want to re-read it just thinking of it! On a more realistic note but still a fantasy, I imagine an elder from my former hall knocking on my door one evening with a look of sadness and saying, "well, tell me what you know". I have this fantasy because I feel that some use cognitive dissonance as to why superJW suddenly disappeared. I can swear, some know that I must know something and they are afraid to know themselves. So, I dream of that situation happening. Especially with one particular elder in mind.

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Fading is never 100% successful is it?

by nicolaou in

mum phoned last night to see how we all are.

after fifteen years away from meetings and my old jw life you'd think my fade could be called 'successful' and for the most part it is.

.. my resentment at being lied to and having wasted over thirty years of my life has left me like a glass of water full to the brim, it only takes a tap to make a mess.

theliberator

I didn't fade. I didn't disassociate. But I cut myself off immediately. My mom called me an apostate at a time when I just discovered TTATT and when I was truly hurting. I let the cat out of the bag. I told her I discovered that the Watchtower had been lying and I can prove it. The fact is, whether you DA or get Df'd makes no difference. The family, "friends" abandon you. You are treated like a barrel of toxic radioactive waste. Since then, I have let her have it with both barrels. I sent her a text saying that it doesn't matter what I say to you anymore, you will not associate or treat me normal until the day you or I die. She is in her early 60's. In short, I agree with No Longer a JW Brother. Like the Watchtower's illustration of surgery, it will hurt and immobilize you, but you will arise with the strength of a lion. It is like a pregnant woman. Doesn't like the thought of giving birth. But by the ninth month, she is miserable and now just wants to get this thing overwith. You are in the ninth month.

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Things we an say on our death bed...

by The Rebel in

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friends

1) i am glad i had the courage to live my life true to myself and not the life others expected of me.. 2) i am glad i had the courage to express my feelings.. 3) i am glad i let myself be myself.. 4 ) and i hope i have so many days, and years to live those thoughts, because surely the most wonderful thing about having left our " watchtower death bed" is to start living?.

in my case at 50 !!.

but the important thing is when we leave, to start living.. any experiences worth sharing?.

theliberator

I want my final words to reflect the biggest lesson from our experience. Never surrender your soul, your freedom to men. No man has special knowledge . Life is precious. Make the most of it. At my funeral, I will play the song "The Garden" from Rush which has become my motto in life. In fact, that entire album is about a man who is swept into organized religion, then discovers TTATT. Sad album. Then it concludes with The Garden which brings tears to my eyes every time I think of it.

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I have a question.

by DATA-DOG in

according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

wow, that's really, really, dumb.

to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

theliberator

try Bart Ehrman's "God's Problem".

Is that your new Bible? Critical thinking should help you to see that Bart is full of himself due to the immense side of that book. Holy crap! I practically needed a hand cart to lift thst sucker!

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Jehovah's Witnesses: A Clear Decline

by Hadriel in

it is rather clear that the internet is to put it mildly, wrecking the world of the watchtower bible & tract society.

if not for foreign language i doubt there would be much growth at all.. digital trends and analytics are very real.

i live this analytics world i assure you to some degree you can take it to the bank.

theliberator

I believe they truly will decline and it will be apparent, not only to us, but to outsiders as well. We need to remember, that although the internet has been available for sometime, mobile internet has not. Most in the past would never seek a desk pc and start researching the Watchtower unless they were on a mission. Today, we pull out our phones on a whim. In the past, the Watchtower was always that religion that claimed to be Christian, but was somewhat shrouded in mystery. "Maybe we have misunderstood them." "Maybe I should check out that Kingdom Hall to find out what they are all about." Or, "Maybe I can have a study and ask questions." Those days are over. The smartphone is what is killing them. The mystery that surrounds them is over. It was the smartphone that took me out and took me out fast. The ability to read hours at a time without family knowing, was the end for me. And it will be the end for most escapees.

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What's the point?

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

i mean, i don't want to be miserable or anything, but what's the bloody point of it all?.

since i left the watchtower cult, i have come to realise that god cannot possibly exist...and if a god exists...god is indifferent to humankind as the least.. in 100 years time i'll be gone.

kaput.

theliberator

The apostle Paul felt the same way.

1 Corinthians: 15. 32. If I fought with animals at Ephesus for human purposes, what does it profit me? If the dead are not raised, then "let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."

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Vomit inducing JW Broadcasting Music Video

by sieborg in

sorry in advance if you have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay5of0nxm44.

do not know how to put in a direct link.

theliberator

Every word they say, Every move they make. ( I know it sounds like a Police song), is for the selfish benefit of that piece of crap organization. If they have an article about kindness, the goal is just to improve the image of the Watchtower. "Marry in the Lord"= Marry in the Watchtower. Why? It is all about trapping and indoctrinating even more the people in its grips. But the long range goal is procreation. Having children to indoctrinate them so that later, they can feed those useless piles of dog doo known as the gb. 💩

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Do you still believe in God?

by FormerlySandL in

i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.

i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.

as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.

theliberator

First off. I love that website! It isn't just "what people believed at the dawn of science". Many scientists feel the same way today. These scientists are "real scientists". Those early scientists would probably still believe in God, because now we know that we and the universe are incomprehendibly complex. Even Darwin was stumped by what he seen. He probably would not of even come up with such nonsense if he knew just how complex life is. You are a part of a much larger indoctrination. One of the biggest scams the world has ever seen.

"Quotations (such as have point and lack triteness) from the great old authors are an act of reverence on the part of the quoter, and a blessing to a public grown superficial and external."

-- Louise Guiney

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lf evolution is true then doesnt it make sense that other life forms exist on far away planets.?

by atomant in

just thought ld throw it out there for discussion.lf we evolved from nothing doesnt it stand to reason that other life forms also evolved from nothing?l mean lets face it time is infinite.

so given enough time its possible for anything to happen isnt it?

theliberator

Atomant: I don't agree with you being simplistic or ignorant. The people on this forum can be asinine about technicalities that they have lost common sense and can't read between the lines. All you are really asking is, if abiogenesis AND evolution are true, then shouldn't it be common or at least happening in other parts of the universe?

The fact is some believe God started evolution. Some believe the universe always existed. Some think aliens planted life here. But most don't. So the assumption is to lump Both abiogenesis AND evolution together. But I knew what you were asking. You've got to understand this place is like walking on eggshells. Intelligence runs high here. Emotional IQ... Not so much.