Posts by pomegranate

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

Aaron,

May the Lord rebuke you!

Your words have just been checked by MY rebuke to YOU.

>>to censure or find fault with<<

Michael did just that...checked, censured and found fault with Satan's request. PS, a word does not have to involve every defintion of the word to hold it's meaning, meaning the "judging" definition you have dragged in as a red herring argument Basic Enlish grammar here. NOT Greek or Hebrew.

So it is Michael rebuking/checking/reproving/criticising Satan word's regarding Satan's dispute over Moses body. Period.

The End.

PS. tracysdad, there were obviously two spiritual entities at the burning bush with Moses. The angel was seen, but it was the LORD that was heard. The angel keeping the bush burning WAS NOT THE ONE SPEAKING. Obviously...as God is NOT an angel.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

tracysdad...

If you believe John 1:1 to be true, then Jesus can't be an angel. Ever.

Angels are created. God is not.

That would be the first point of my perspective.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

To Aaron...

>>Actually.. it is not. Telling someone that they will be rebuked is NOT a rebuke. That is called a 'warning' OF a rebuke. It is the LORD who DOES rebuke. For instance, if you and I were disputing, and I said "May your mom punish you," does that mean I just punished you? Of course not! I have no 'authority' to punish you, but your mom does. It is the same here. Michael did not rebuke the Adversary, it was the Lord who did and will do it.<<

You mince words like a JW. Do you read the dictionary at all??? Michael assuredly "rebuked" Satan...Webster's please:

re·buke (ri-byook)tr.v. re·buked, re·buk·ing, re·bukes

1. To criticize or reprove sharply; reprimand. See Synonyms at admonish.

2. To check or repress.

Did Michael do the above according to the dictionary?? Yes on both counts. Your example of "mom" is the same. Michael CRITICIZED Satan, he REPRIMANDED in that sentence. He "checked and repressed" Satan's conduct of the Moses body incident. Kes, don't start making up your own word definitions to support a wrong understanding. That's what witnesses do. Use you dictionary will you? The dictionary is PLAIN in supporting Michael REBUKED, ADMONISHED, REPRIMANDED, CRITICISED, CHECKED, REPRESSED Satan.

That's exactly what REBUKE means, and that's exactly what Michael did.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

tracysdad....

Are you really?? May I see a picture of you and your sibling?

I hope I am not being to forward...

Would you like me to give my perspective on your last sentence??

tracysdad...I love your handle..

If it were me.... it would be hannahsdad. :)

peace and tons of love to you...

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

tracysdad,

I believe some of your post is not right:

You said
>>in Jude it says that Michael did not dare to rebuke Satan.<<

Jude says:
the Archangel Michael... said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

The above IS a rebuke. Michael rebuked Satan by reminding Satan sternly that the Lord will rebuke him. What Jude says Michael dare not do was, "did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him(Satan)

You said:
>>In 2 Peter 2:10-12 it says that Angels are more powerful than the ungodly, yet they are blasphemed.<<

Peter says:
2 Peter 2:10-11
11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.

Blasphemy IS NOT mentioned here. Blasphemy is against God. This is talking about good angels making slanderous accusations to bad demons in the presence of the LORD. See Jude, Michael didn't do it (slanderous accusation), rather he rebuked Satan.

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Please, please, please.

by realcourchesne in

thank you for all your answer,.

it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.

john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.

pomegranate

:-)

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Please, please, please.

by realcourchesne in

thank you for all your answer,.

it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.

john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.

pomegranate

I agree.

The YHWH of the OT is Jesus without a doubt.

The Father, from my perspective, assisted the Son in two things, forming Adam in the beginning, and raising Christ from the dead. Everything else was Christ...when in flesh, He was a man with the Father's power.

From Genesis to Revelation, as the Bible says:

John 3:35
35 The Father loves the Son and <u>has placed everything in his hands</u>.

The Father waits to tell the Son when to execute judgement. That is the Father's only decision He has kept for Himself, the day and the hour.

>>I believe that at a time less damaging to their popularity, the Watch Tower and Tract Society will initiate a complete fundamental reform of their teachings concerning who is the Lord of the Old Testament that they call Jehovah.<<

I don't think that can happen. They have built their house on Christ as a creation rather than as God. Their foundation is inferior. It has been built on the sand, and they have the wrong cornerstone. If the foundation is bad, the whole house will be condemned.

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Please, please, please.

by realcourchesne in

thank you for all your answer,.

it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.

john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.

pomegranate

>>one God the Father and not two but one Lord (God) Jesus Christ?<<

This would be true to my understanding at the present time.

With the way it is written above, I want to clarify my previous statement to make it more accurate for you.

One God the Father, Head over the One Lord God Jesus. One Lord God Jesus, is in submission to One God the Father.

Though God Himself, the Lord Jesus is in subjection to God the Father.

So..."Lord" would denote subjection to God the Father, and NOT be the same as you commented earlier.

Are you happy now? I don't think I can explain myself any clearer.

“There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we in him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are” 1 Cor 8:6.

Yes.

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Please, please, please.

by realcourchesne in

thank you for all your answer,.

it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.

john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.

pomegranate

Well, you have my answer. Anyone else?

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Please, please, please.

by realcourchesne in

thank you for all your answer,.

it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.

john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.

pomegranate

I believe Lord and God mean the same thing.

Do you believe this, the exact words of the Apostle John?

John 1:1-2
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So to me, Jesus is BOTH Lord and God, because that IS what the Bible teaches.

Duotheism is plain in the Hebrew language too.

YHWH Elohim.

Did you know that the Hebrew word Elohim (usually translated as Almighty) is a dual noun? Hebrew dual nouns are used for things that comes in pairs. Here are some links for you to examine to show that this is true.

http://hebrew.about.com/homework/hebrew/library/weekly/aa060500c.htm?rnk=r1&terms=hebrew+dual+nouns

Also, on the following link, read the 5th paragraph last sentence. It is written by a doctor of Jewish language studies The suffix Yod Mem is the dual suffix for things that come in pairs. God is two as the Hebrew language plainly teaches:

http://hebrew.about.com/homework/hebrew/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhom.com%2Ftopics%2Fstones%2Fhebrew.html

The tabernacle and the temple had two compartments. For good reason. YHWH Elohim...when accurately rendered:

I Am(YHWH) Mighty(Eloh) Two(im). Father and Son. They are the Holy Spirit.