Posts by pomegranate

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144 thousand

by jody in

hey i need help.

i am stuck trying to explain when the 144 thousand without any refference material.

i am stuck in a remote lacal debating a couple of things and this topice came up.

And.....as usual, when people are exposed in their false teaching, it's always, "the Bible is not translated correctly." There are more than a few Bible translations that translate "baneey" as "sons", besides it being a basic Hebrew contextual and primitive root argument supporting "sons."

Go ahead, tell all the nice people these Bible translations have used the wrong rendering and you are the one that's right:

New International Version
King James
New King James
American Standard
New American Standard
Revised Standard

PS. When one is evaluating how to choose the correct rendering in Hebrew, the root of the word is important in concert with the context.

The primitive root is transliterated "bawnaw" meaning "to build."
The "Baneey" base meaning is one who is a builder of a family name.
For a certainty, the angels are sons as we shall be sons in building of the family name of YHWH.

You can blow more smoke now. I'm through with the above spiritual flim flam.

aaaa bah bye.

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144 thousand

by jody in

hey i need help.

i am stuck trying to explain when the 144 thousand without any refference material.

i am stuck in a remote lacal debating a couple of things and this topice came up.

pomegranate

>>I suggest you get yourself a Hebrew lexicon/concordance and look all those scriptures regarding the 'sons of God' up again, okay<<

Gen 6:2
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful,

The Hebrew word above is transliterated "baneey" which is the word for "son" in Hebrew. okay?

>>I am not a child of the nations, but a 'seed' of Abraham,<<

Gal 3:16
16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

Liar. There is only ONE seed, Christ.

>>>"To which one of the angels did He (God) EVER say,
'You are my Son; I, today I have become your Father."<<<

Get the sense that Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. The only direct division/seperation out of God the Father, which came after Satanic rebellion, which is why Christ seperated from the Father in the first place, to rectify. After his being BEGOTTEN from the Father, Jesus then created ALL OTHER LIVING THINGS that are physical, making him also a "father". The Bible also shows that Christ is resposible for the lives of the angels, making him their "father" too. The Most Holy Father handed ALL THINGS over to the Son (Who is an everlasting Holy Father in his own right), so that all may be reconciled back unto the Most Holy Father. Angels FULLY retain their sonship (baneey) to Christ (since He DID create them, he IS their "father"), we though, need to be adopted back to God as "sons of light" because of sin.

>>You exercise the same 'spirit' of Paul<<

You are correct.

Acts 13:8-11
9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10 "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?

>>when their HEARTS questioned my Lord speaking to a woman.<<

You twist my words and Paul's. I do not question the Lord speaking to a woman. It's a woman teaching a man in a "church" setting that is wrong, and that problem goes back to the garden. Eve userped Adam's headship.

You are neither the "seed" or Deborah (a prophetess) nor anything like her, of which there was only ONE woman in the OT/NT as one backed with the leadership role and POWER of God just as there is only ONE seed of Abraham. Why? To make known that God chooses whoever HE wants, man or woman to do His will. GOD CHOSE only ONE woman to lead Israel to make plain a point to the Jewish men who would frequently put woman in derision and degradation. God chose only ONE woman to lead Israel to make plain a point that only God makes ALL LAW. And with that choosing of Deborah, was the backing of His POWER.

>>The admonition was due to the CIVIL law... OF ROME... which prohibited women from speaking in public.<<

Paul never taught woman were prohibited from speaking in public. He taught that TEACHING of men by woman in a "church" setting was prohibited. It imitates Eve teaching Adam that the fruit was OK to eat. WRONG.

Man made law is man made tradition. If what you say is true then Paul is guilty of teaching man made laws and traditions as teachings of God, and he is guilty of violating his own recorded counsel:

Col 2:8
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

Wouldn't Paul then be taking the Christian congregation captive into man's laws and traditions and basic principles of this world? Yes he would. Did he by teaching the silence of woman in the "church" setting? No he didn't.

He would also be guilty of defying Christ himself by teaching Roman law and tradition as Christian teaching:

Mark 7:9-10
9 And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

And if that's the case, then Paul was leading the church astray into hypocrisy, totally condemned by Christ:

Luke 12:1
Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

If that's the case then EVERY SINGLE THING PAUL EVER WROTE is corrupted and contaminated, and he condemns himself by his own words TWICE:

1 Cor 5:6
Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough?

Gal 5:8-9
8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough."

How could Paul be guilty of all the above and yet be filled with the Holy Spirit, which is mentioned many times?

If what you say is true, then even God is guilty of letting one of his chosen ones teach basic principles and traditions and laws of men as teachings of God in the congregations. God then would have been guilty of letting the Bible be contaminated with the laws and traditions of men being desseminated to the congregations as HIS commands.

Paul did not teach Roman law in the Christian congregation as you teach. You have been deceived. Now you bring this deception to "Adam" as God's truth and want "him" to eat.

Sorry, not THIS "Adam."

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144 thousand

by jody in

hey i need help.

i am stuck trying to explain when the 144 thousand without any refference material.

i am stuck in a remote lacal debating a couple of things and this topice came up.

pomegranate

Aguest says:

>>>>"... a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of ... every tribe... of the sons of Israel."

I ask you, what is so 'mysterious' about that? My Father made a promise to Abraham regarding his (Abraham's) 'seed'. The 'sealing' of the 144,000 is in fulfillment of that promise. Israel rebelled, rejected God, rejected His Son, their 'saviour'... but so that His word that when forth from His mouth would not return without results, God... 'sealed' 144,000 of Abraham's seed, out of each tribe, excluding Dan (Joseph received a 'double share').<<<(Underscoring Added)

But the Apostle Paul says this:

Gal 3:16
16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

You are teaching against Paul's teaching.

You my dear are a false teacher.

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144 thousand

by jody in

hey i need help.

i am stuck trying to explain when the 144 thousand without any refference material.

i am stuck in a remote lacal debating a couple of things and this topice came up.

pomegranate

>>Angels are spirits, but angels are not ‘sons’.<<

Gen 6:1-2
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Gen 6:4
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

>>I am merely a slave of Christ... and I obey him, not Paul.<<

Paul's words are Christ's words. Paul was chosen as the Apostle to the nations. His words are directed to you and I straight from God.

1 Tim 2:11-15
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

Well, why is that do tell us Apostle Paul...

13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

1 Cor 14:33-35
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

1 Tim 3:1-13
3:1 Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.

8 Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. 9 They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.

11 In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything.

12 A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well. 13 Those who have served well gain an excellent standing and great assurance in their faith in Christ Jesus.

Titus 2:3-5
3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

If you ARE a slave of Christ as you tout, and Paul most assuredly was a slave of Christ (and he had the POWER to back it up) why aren't you and Paul united in the same mind and the same line of thought regarding the above? You contradict each other.

Let's see. Who should I listen to, the Apostle who's writings are compiled in the Bible, who was directly sent to the Gentiles to give all of God's teachings to us, or you, who says Paul's words are null and void because you are a woman trying to teach men in a "church" setting.

Explain your contradiction in light of scripture please.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

Red herrings and straw men...

bah bye.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

*sigh*

You know what I meant. That was a typo. "to" should be "of."

Michael surrended NO JUDGING to the LORD regarding Satan as you teach, and you know it. The judging was already done.

Still haven't answered the mistranslation lie.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

Why would Aaron not explain his teaching? Why does he not qualify his claim that the Bible is mis-translated and only he knows that.

Aaron teaches that Michael, in Jude by his words "Lord rebuke you" is Michael handing over judgment to Satan. That cannot be true.

Why? Because Satan's judgment had already been made way earlier by Christ and the decision was condemnation:

John 16:7-11
Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10 in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

Satan was already judged. Nobody is judged twice. Not even Satan.

Aaron's teaching is incorrect as clearly shown by the Bible. Yet Aaron holds on to the lie and disseminates it as the truth.

That is NOT the way of God. That is the way of condemnation.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

>>Aaron teaches Michael did pass judgment.<<

Pass judgement means to EITHER do it OR PASS on it and hand it over to someone else (you know, your "surrender" flim flam doctrine)as you are teaching. You teach and insinuate Michael PASSED judging or PASSES on judging (bringing up "krisin" as a red herring) and surrendered it to the LORD. That would mean he would have had the opportunity to judge, WHICH HE NEVER EVER HAD. That is a lie either way. Michael verbally rebuked Satan in Jude (Did NOT pass judgment OR pass it on, as he NEVER had the authority to do it) and bodily warred and removed Satan in Revelation. Period.

You not only twist the Bible's words but also mine with your strange teachings and smoke blown logic.

So, show all the nice people HOW Aaron does teach where Jude shows Michael passed/passing (surrender) judging to the LORD, from the simple phrase, "The LORD rebuke you?"

Because the word "krisin" accusation/judgment is in the Bible passage? (Which is in the NEGATIVE sense) What false convoluted logic.

Your teaching isn't there in the Bible, only in Aaron's false doctrine mind.

PS. Your the one claiming the Bible is mistranslated (another lie)here NOT me...LOL...

you asked:

>>"Where do you see judgement being mentioned?"

Answer: In the Greek from which your English "mis-translation" came from.

>>Judgement was never mentioned or even insinuated.

you have been misled my dear. Go read the Greek.

>>You make up your own teaching by rewriting Jude's words.

Actually .. your "translators" did that.

you said:

>>>Judgement??? You write your own words into Jude again and again.

Uh, nope. that would be your dear "translators."

>>"Judgement" is never mentioned AT ALL in this text. AT ALL.

That's cuz you got the wrong 'text.' Go back to the Greek, dear.

Yeah, the above supports both your false doctrine and obvious deficiency in language, both English and Greek. Teach me The Way Aaron.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

LOL...he continues on!!! Here after the following last post from me, you can have the last word. Please, teach us yout truth.

53

Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

>>somatos, o'uk 'etolmesen krisin epenegkein
of body, not he dared judgement to bear upon<<

You stressed it in bold NOT me. Judgment is a wrong translation of krisin which you support by saying it means judgment. If you support it, you teach it. It is a false teaching and a mistranslation.

I will end my rebuke to you, in the hope you acquire good fruitage. If not, so be it.

Prov 15:31-33
31 He who listens to a life-giving rebuke
will be at home among the wise.

32 He who ignores discipline despises himself,
but whoever heeds correction gains understanding.

33 The fear of the LORD teaches a man wisdom,
and humility comes before honor.

Prov 17:10
10 A rebuke impresses a man of discernment
more than a hundred lashes a fool.

Prov 30:5-6
5 "Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Eccl 7:5-6
5 It is better to heed a wise man's rebuke
than to listen to the song of fools.
6 Like the crackling of thorns under the pot,
so is the laughter of fools.

So long Aaron.