Earlier you assumed that the "minimum facts" were
historical
SB, I don’t
understand what you mean by this? What minimum facts did I assume
were historical?
It seems that you no
longer believe that being "deluded" is an adequate
explanation for the events described.
When I used the term
“deluded” it was in reference to the Jews making Saturday their
day of rest and worship and change it to Sunday, and to JWs not
celebrating Christmas because they believe Jehovah disapproves.
---------Nothing else
And
I was not calling them delusional, ------------I was saying they were
deluded, (big difference)
which simply means; (deceived by false
beliefs)
Case
in point, I don’t “Believe” (Meaning, I don’t have proof
because God hasn’t spoken to me on the subject)
----that God would want any
Jehovah Witness to be disfellowshipped and shunned by family, just
because they celebrate Christmas. That equals being deluded or
another way of saying it is; (deceived by false beliefs)
As far as the 12 minimum facts you posted, I have no problem with any
of them. And I believe it’s possible James saw “Something” and
it’s possible Paul heard a voice. And for “Them” those personal
experiences cause them to convert to early Christianity.
without
providing for any apparatus, religious, educational, social or
familial impetus that could account for this proposed delusion
---------right in the heart of Judaism.
SB, I think you have the word delusion—vs---deluded confused. I
posted the definition for deluded above.
Delusion or delusional is more of a condition or a disorder.
I’m not saying they are “Delusional”
A delusion is a fixed belief
that is not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence.
As a pathology, it is distinct
from a belief based on false or incomplete information,
confabulation, dogma, illusion, or some other misleading effects of
perception as individuals with these beliefs are
able to change or readjust their beliefs upon viewing the evidence
for these beliefs.
Delusions have been found to occur in the context of many
pathological states (both general physical and mental) and are of
particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders including
schizophrenia, paraphrenia, manic episodes of bipolar disorder, and
psychotic depression.
Delusions are categorized into four
different groups:
Bizarre delusion: Delusions
are deemed bizarre if they are clearly implausible and not
understandable to same-culture peers and do not derive from ordinary
life experiences. An example named by the DSM-5 is a belief that
someone replaced all of one's internal organs with someone else's
without leaving a scar, depending on the organ in question.
Non-bizarre delusion: A
delusion that, though false, is at least technically possible, e.g.,
the affected person mistakenly believes that they are under constant
police surveillance.
Mood-congruent delusion:
Any delusion with content consistent with either a depressive or
manic state, e.g., a depressed person believes that news anchors on
television highly disapprove of them, or a person in a manic state
might believe they are a powerful deity.
Mood-neutral delusion: A delusion that does not relate
to the sufferer's emotional state; for example, a belief that an
extra limb is growing out of the back of one's head is neutral to
either depression or mania.
