Posts by jehovaxx

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VERY NEW AT THIS BUT LOST IN SPACE

by stephenlettclownface in

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i apologize if this post ends up in the wrong place.

i have been a lurker here for several years.

i thoroughly enjoy this site, have for years, and read something or another on this site many times a week.

jehovaxx

With all due respect, isn't being an agnostic a form of "fence sitting"?

Absolutely it is. It is the course of wisdom. Unless you are absolutely sure about your interpretation of the Bible, and if anybody says that then almost certainly they are not correct.

PIMA stabilises you. It’s the conclusion the very end result of a lifetime of deep study. If you are not where I am yet then please do more study of all so called experts from all the different religions and beliefs that you can find.

I have several decades of deep searching and I’ve come to the satisfaction that humans just don’t know and I’m content with that.

I still have a positive hope in the Bibles promises and I’m free of lies like eternal torture in hell.

Im now a very old man. Think my best before date is starring me in the face. I will find out very soon what happens after death. Perhaps nothing, this is probably my most likely scenario, maybe the atheists are correct.

But I find being physically in the JWs benefits me. Having every visit me so much is very encouraging. I do say things that some in the congregation may find cryptic. But they don’t stop to think about what I really mean.

They tell me how sure they are in the Bibles promises. I say things like “having the hope has really helped me and to keep talking to everyone about the hope is so encouraging”

The truth is I’m not certain about the interpretation or if the hope is even real, but I find it’s better to have that Hope being agnostic than no hope at all being atheist

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VERY NEW AT THIS BUT LOST IN SPACE

by stephenlettclownface in

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i apologize if this post ends up in the wrong place.

i have been a lurker here for several years.

i thoroughly enjoy this site, have for years, and read something or another on this site many times a week.

jehovaxx

In my OP I said that I'm fascinated by people like yourself who rejected JW teachings and then decided not only was the religion false, but the Bible and the stories of Jesus and God are too. (Or might be).

I’m fascinated by people who decide JWs are not the truth but other interpretations of the Bible are.

Surely in the end most people come to the conclusion that those of us who become agnostic did.

We just don’t know, and be comfortable in the knowledge that we just don’t know. There are so many interpretations and they may have some truth to them or maybe not. Almost certainly there is more to it.

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Where is Tony?

by Athanasius in

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on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

jehovaxx

Fred Franz was blind and living in the Bethel Infirmary but still a member of the Governing Body

So the story that he left due to infirmity does not hold up.

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the toll of being PIMO

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who are pimo, how do you feel it may be effecting your mental and physical health?

is it easy to pretend to be what you are not?

how do you feel about falsely supporting the pimi which builds them up and therefore an org you don't believe in?

jehovaxx

You can basically do whatever you want. Sex, blood, smoking, drugs, rock and roll.

You can’t just do those things. You would first have some warnings and then possibly a 90 day sanction.

if you keep doing them you may be an habitual 90day sanction JW.

but yes mighty big changes from years ago

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

jehovaxx

I’m interested to know if Lloyd himself knows what a scumbag he has been to his family?

reading those letters he wrote to his wife it seems it’s all her fault that he cheated on her with prostitution.

does he genuinely feel those that accused him of using sex workers are in the wrong for accusing him of that even though it’s true?

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VERY NEW AT THIS BUT LOST IN SPACE

by stephenlettclownface in

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i apologize if this post ends up in the wrong place.

i have been a lurker here for several years.

i thoroughly enjoy this site, have for years, and read something or another on this site many times a week.

jehovaxx

“wouldn't say that the feeling of brotherhood was fake, but it was conditional.”

Surely this is true of any feeling of brotherhood? It has to be conditional. Any friendship for that matter. If your friend really hurt you time and again, in an extremely bad way then that would surely be the end of the friendship.

You can have unconditional love for family members but if they turn out to be involved in really evil criminal activities then you surely would disown them and cut them off unless they were really sorry.

The issue is JWs have set the bar far too high and with all these change they are lowering the height at which they set the bar.

I think the feeling of brotherhood is real in the JW organisation. There are some really truly great people in the org and that’s why I’m staying physically in, even though I’m mentally agnostic.

“ I believe JWs are right that Jesus is not God. There are a few other things I think they are right or at least partially right about but this one is the biggest one for me. I believe Jesus is God's son, but not God. And I believe that the only path to God is through following Jesus.”

SLCF You sound like you have made up your mind that Jesus is Gods son and the Bible is his word. You may be right I’m agnostic so I don’t know. But if you are so sure about that then why not the other things the Bible says and what about all the promises in there? There will be a reseerection of the righteous and the unrighteous? Death will be no more and the meek shall inherit the Earth and they will find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace?

Do you believe all the things promised in the Bible?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

jehovaxx

He has admitted to dating a sex worker, this means hiring a prostitute for a while. Poor girl she must have been very desperate or exploited and forced into this horrendous industry.

He is so obviously lying that he didn’t go there for exactly that. He keeps crying about being sexually repressed by being brought up a JW.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

jehovaxx

chapters detailing his sexting of young girls, drunkenly humping an Xmas tree, and similar. Who in their right mind would even put that shit in a book? Embarrassing, cringey as fugg retarded crap that makes him look like an even bigger moron and creep that he already did

He is clinging to sexual repression caused by being a JW. This is now part of his identity and he won’t let it go. He is a pervert but blames the org for it all.

Most of us on here had the same or similar upbringing as neck beard but all don’t claim to be sexually repressed perverts blaming the GB for it all.

He felt guilty everytime he masterbated growing up and always felt awkward around girls. Then he got into sexting and cyberflashing and it’s not anything to do with him being an ugly awkward creep no it’s all the GBs fault because they have high moral standards and he has very low gutter moral standards

now he is obviously addicted to porn and cheap sex workers. Drugs come along with the lifestyle which he has admitted to already to some extent, the drugs and sex addiction’s are probably far worse than he has admitted to

drugs on both sides the poor exploited women maybe selling their bodies to get the drugs they are addicted to. Then the perverted creeps like neck beard who pay these poor women for sex.

it’s a horrible situation and his donors are supporting it

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Elders or any higher ups at Bethel get paid?

by TxNVSue2023 in

i found this while googling.

i thought elders and/or high rankers don't get paid.

is there something i don't know?

jehovaxx

It’s all about how many years full time service.

when I was at Bethel I got the standard that everyone gets plus the bonus based on how many years FT service

if you are a couple both pioneers for years you get a fair bit

plus no outgoings at all everything is paid. Your car expenses all paid plus mileage which is all trust, some people put down hundreds of miles more than they did and make profit

plus you get given lots of white envelopes by wealthy JWs. Often the congregation pays for little trips flights and accommodation if giving a talk somewhere

clothes all donated, toiletries all free , food and everything free. No bills no repairs for anything need paying for, just put in a reccy we used to call it. (Request form)

when you think about what does a Bethelite ever need money for? They can go months without ever needing money, it’s just for extra treats but you get plenty of thise

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Beards vs. Shunning announcements

by slimboyfat in

during lett’s announcement that beards are now allowed he elaborated at some length how brothers ought to feel and react to the change in policy.

he warned brothers not to resent not being able to grow beards earlier if they had wished to do so.

he also warned brothers who supported the old policy not to allow themselves to wonder what the point of doing so was now that it has changed.

jehovaxx

That they aren't in it for anything other than the social club.

Yes that the only reason I’m still Physically in. I know for certain the GB are charlatans. But I don’t know for certain that the Bible is wrong, so I still keep the hope in the Bible.