VERY NEW AT THIS BUT LOST IN SPACE

by stephenlettclownface 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • stephenlettclownface
    stephenlettclownface

    I apologize if this post ends up in the wrong place.

    I have been a lurker here for several years. I thoroughly enjoy this site, have for years, and read something or another on this site many times a week.

    Often I will read things here that absolutely make my day.

    My story is a long one. I won't bore you with it here except to say that I was 5 when the folks got in the JW's, and I'm pushing 70 now. There is so much in between that I'm writing a book about it.

    I'm not sure it's a book anyone will want to read, and I don't really care. It's a kind of catharsis for me to let go of so many things that have created a well of pent up anger in me for many decades.

    I'm not really posting to talk about that.

    My compliments to most of you past and present on this site.

    I see many people who have seemingly completely purged themselves of the religion and seem to just be here for the gossips, sniping, and fun. You are the ones I admire most, and I'm getting there too, believe me.

    I see others who are still fence-sitting in one form or another. I feel a great deal of empathy for them.

    I am fascinated by those who have gone completely atheist and evolutionist. I don't believe I'll ever change my mind on those things, but it's interesting to see the comments from those who went from full on JW to a complete 180 concerning God and the Bible. I'm open to opinions, always.

    Which is why although I had no choice in becoming a JW, literally having it shoved down my throat from a tender age, even then I was so interested in things of all kinds that I wanted to hear all sides of ANY issue. Of course in JW land that kind of inquiry is quickly shut down.

    That ALWAYS troubled me. All of my life. And eventually led me off on my own research. And led me where I am today.

    I grin and sometimes laugh when I see some among you describe your "trembling hands" when you looked at "apostate" information and your "fervent prayers for forgiveness" after having done so. I did the same thing.

    After the fact, when you finally see the Man Behind the Curtain, and the wool is pulled from your eyes, and (insert cliche regarding seeing the light here), you are able to take a breath, clear your head, take a step back....

    And see just how stupid and ridiculous the whole thing is. My wife and I have great conversations on this and hearty laughs, sometimes to the point of nearly peeing ourselves. It is all so unbelievably stupid.

    Worse than that, I have come to the opinion that it is a blasphemous "religion". I think they all are, but I'm of the opinion that the religions that hijack the Bible, and in fact rewrite it, then mind lock their converts and direct them AWAY from the teachings of Jesus, are in fact, mocking God. And blasphemous.

    There are few things I think JW's get right. But there a few things that all religions get right.

    I believe JWs are right that Jesus is not God. There are a few other things I think they are right or at least partially right about but this one is the biggest one for me. I believe Jesus is God's son, but not God. And I believe that the only path to God is through following Jesus.

    Very simple and yet made very complicated by Jehovah's witnesses. I am mentioning this because it was one of the keys to unlock my mind. When you really boil things down Jesus came to earth, Jesus was baptized into his ministry, and God said: "This is my Son. LISTEN TO HIM"

    So simple, but of course JW's, just like the Pharisees, miss the point of it all.

    Of special note, to me at least, is that Jesus only gave his followers 2 commands:


    Mark 12:30-31
    New International Version

    30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”

    The whole thing is so simple. Organized religion seeks to complicate it and to distort the word of God. And JW's are among the worst of the worst IMO.

    Sorry to make this long. I'm like one of those old Elders who won't get off the podium.

    Thanks all for the threads. I had already thought I learned a lot, but I learn more and more from all of you here every time I tune in.

    To Simon: Not sure what you believe in now but I went back and read some of your original posts at one point in time. Seems when you started the site you were still a believer? Pardon me if I got that wrong.

    I've seen many others of your posts over the years that makes me think we would be fast friends, world-objective wise.

    Whatever the case, good on you for doing this and keeping it going 20 years. (Or more?)

    I do not know how to get around the site. If there is any type of link to a guide around the site or if anyone feels like speaking up with pointers it would be much appreciated.

    In full candor I do not know what my login or password is. I do not know what my screen name or avatar is. I set up a login on this site years ago but never participated. I tried to login one night a month or so ago and I find myself logged in ever since. But I cannot anywhere on my computer find the login credentials. (I am usually VERY good at keeping track of all Logins).

    So if this post ends up in one of the threads I'll be as surprised as anyone.


    I hope it does.

    I would love to hear from some of you guys and start participating.

    Cheers

  • Ron.W.
    Ron.W.

    A great post.

    A very warm welcome SLCF - The book sound like one I would love to read.

    Regards

    Ron

  • Gorb
    Gorb

    Thx for your hart warming message.

    Gorby (G.)

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    A lovely first post STCF.

    Welcome.

  • stephenlettclownface
    stephenlettclownface

    Thanks all. I'm up way too late working, and have had a few beers, which gets the words flowing out.

    Nice to see your responses. I appreciate the warm welcome.

    I do miss the feeling (fake though it all was) of Brotherhood.

    I see it here, maybe not amongst all, but definitely among the core contributors.

    Brotherhood and friendship to me has always been we like each other but might not always agree, even on some of the bigger issues of life.

    One of my very best friends has polar opposite views on politics than me, and some of his religious views are polar opposite as well. Yet we love each other and have each other's backs and have done so for years now.

    I see a glimmer of that here. And I'd like to come aboard.

    BTW don't get me wrong. I'm not joining yet ANOTHER cult. I'm not starry eyed anymore. I just like what I've seen so far and would enjoy the company.

    Cheers

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    Hi SLCF, and welcome.

    I wouldn't say that the feeling of brotherhood was fake, but it was conditional. It is built on a false premise. The idea is that extreme isolation and distancing is the only way to deal with those who are not in 'good standing.' The organization demands that its members act in ways totally anathema to the way they are used to treating each other, but also to go right back to being brothers and friends if a person's status reverts to 'good standing.' This is stressful, especially when we've been conditioned to be loving and brotherly and generous with one another.

    And this conditioning can last a very long time. Glad to see you've come to terms with it and have freed yourself.

  • stephenlettclownface
    stephenlettclownface

    TonusOH:

    Right there with you.

    I am married to a young Filipina, 30 years my junior. To my great surprise and relief, she also has exited JWs with very little urging on my part, only trying to point her to things I have found out. Thankfully she is as much out as myself.

    We are currently working on her brother, carefully as we can, to lead him out also. Part of the reason I believe we can have success in this endeavor is because she is the one who introduced him to the JW's in the first place. She is the oldest of the siblings and has much respect in her family. She was the first to become a JW and introduce it to her family (none of whom ultimately accepted it except the brother in question) and she was the first to leave.

    It is so funny to me to watch her go now that she has learned what she has. Sometimes she is like a house afire. Where I am more measured and laid back (because I'm old) she is fully launched into getting her brother OUT.

    In the past few weeks I have convinced her to hold back, and let him percolate. He will (I hope and pray) come around. He's a smart kid, and he loves and respects his older sister.

    In my own family I fear the cause is lost. I try to nibble around the edges.

    Because of family dynamics, I've always been the black sheep. The oldest brother of 5.

    So there is no way of attacking head on. I'm just an idiot with weird ideas. They view me with derision.

    For those who are curious, I guess my label would be POMO. I did a slow fade.

    I have never been vocally out. I'm just out, and everyone knows it.

    But they all still can talk to me (and they all do!) because I'm in the "Twilight Zone" where I have never publicly spoken against it. Technically I'm still in good standing, just inactive.

    Isn't it STUPID?

    Cheers

  • stan livedeath
    stan livedeath

    Hello SLCF

    i too have a pinay wife..22years younger than I am . Married 8 years now .

    I’m English, aged 76.

  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW
    God said: "This is my Son. LISTEN TO HIM" So simple, but of course JW's, just like the Pharisees, miss the point of it all. Of special note, to me at least, is that Jesus only gave his followers 2 commands:

    Yet WT leaders of today with their books full of rules and regulations are exactly like the Pharisees of Jesus day and fit this scripture to a "T". (Matthew 23:4)  They bind up heavy loads and put them upon the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger.

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    Hello SLCF,

    So nice to have you join the 24+ years-long conversation.

    There are quite a few people on this site who have published books. All the best with your current project. Be sure to let us know when it is available.

    You wrote: "I do not know how to get around the site. If there is any type of link to a guide..."

    Not sure if these links will help you. They were useful to me.

    From the HomePage, categories can be browsed:

    Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information (jehovahs-witness.com)

    The most-current discussions are found on the 'Latest' tab at the top of each page:

    Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information (jehovahs-witness.com)

    For many years, LadyLee maintained the 'Best of Topics' section. It is still a treasure-trove of information and insight:
    (accessed from the HomePage): Best of Topics (jehovahs-witness.com)

    Somewhat outdated, but also much relevance, JWD FAQs (a category in the 'Best of Topics' section):

    JWD FAQs (jehovahs-witness.com)

    Also found in 'Best of Topics' setcion (sub-heading 'The Best of ... Continuing Series Threads') is Simon's 4-part story of JWD's beginning and evolution:

    SIMONs THREADS My life ... and how JWD came to be -

    Part 1 ? http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/66434/1.ashx

    My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 2 - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/66841/1.ashx

    My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 3 - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/67372/1.ashx

    My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 4 - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/67969/1.ashx

    Again, thank you for adding your story and perspective to the conversation.

    It's nice to have you join us.

    Aude Sapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)

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