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  Mary And The Two Witness Rule

  by NotFormer in

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  2. beliefs

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/47672/top-secret-confidential.

  in the above page, the september 1, 1987 watchtower article about breaching confidentiality is quoted.

  mary is a medical worker and finds out that someone in congregation has had an abortion.

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  NotFormer

  The million dollar question is: have they ever walked it back? If not, it's still WT policy. Old light is current light, unless it's replaced by new light. And don't you dare continue to observe old light for one second after the new light has been declared! 😡
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  Mary And The Two Witness Rule

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/47672/top-secret-confidential.

  in the above page, the september 1, 1987 watchtower article about breaching confidentiality is quoted.

  mary is a medical worker and finds out that someone in congregation has had an abortion.

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  NotFormer

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/47672/top-secret-confidential

  In the above page, the September 1, 1987 Watchtower article about breaching confidentiality is quoted. Mary is a medical worker and finds out that someone in congregation has had an abortion. She passes that information on to the elders. The WT lauds her action, even though it could land her in prison or get her sued.

  I assume she wouldn't be stupid enough to make a copy of the relevant page. So when she goes to the elders and tells them that she saw a file with the relevant data, what do the elders do? Mary is only one witness. Would they dare prosecute the sister whose confidentiality has been breached?
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  2023-August-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  page 1. https://imgbox.com/32tnfnel.

  page 2. https://imgbox.com/f8jh7e0m .

  page 3. https://imgbox.com/chjmr4km .

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  NotFormer

  Further to what I said above, could there come a time when the Kingdom Halls are all sold, and the JWs are renting halls off other groups, like some small churches do? I can imagine that all the pride and bluster will have left the R&F if that ever happened 😞.
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  Stage 4 Cancer, Stem Cell Transplant and Blood Transfusions

  by NJ501 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  today, i received a call from my oncologist nurse.

  she informed me that i will need to sign a consent form for a blood transfusion.

  the doctor will see me next wednesday to go through the consent form with me.

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  Blondie:"Also, under the HIPAA laws in the US, keeping medical records out of the hands of people like elders, other jws, etc., is considered illegal, and can be a legal matter."

  Are you saying that it's illegal to not give confidential medical information to the elders, etc?? I hope this is a typo!! 😲
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  2023-August-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  page 1. https://imgbox.com/32tnfnel.

  page 2. https://imgbox.com/f8jh7e0m .

  page 3. https://imgbox.com/chjmr4km .

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  NotFormer

  JW Gonebad:"WT is house rich and cash poor...they have all their worth tied-up in Kingdom Halls, Assembly Halls, ect, etc with very little in liquid assets like cash"

  Most sensible businesses, and lets face it, the WT corporation is a business, use their assets to generate income. Back when the WT was selling stuff, the Kingdom Halls were basically distribution centres, or warehouses, where the sales staff would pick up their merchandise and receive their instructions on today's sales route. Now that they aren't actually selling anything, that warehouse model isn't working. They have assets sitting idle and clocking up expenses like insurance and utilities.

  So what does a business do if it is in the business of owning meeting halls? A sane business in that line would rent out their meeting halls. Where I live, the various small startup churches, that can't afford their own buildings, meet in school assembly halls and other community centres, presumably paying some rental. If the WT weren't such snobs, they could rent out purpose built space to such groups. And to the scouts and other such groups.

  But of course, the WT is very big on appearances and not associating with the wrong crowd. Unless it's the UN or some other group that benefits them in some way. Remember their amicus curiae brief with Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, back when the whole "should churches pay sales tax" thing started? That's when the decline started. The Watchtower's stubborn refusal to pay taxes to the superior authorities meant that they eventually stopped selling their magazines door to door, and eventually ended up where they are today, with no golden income streams.

  I don't see them renting out Kingdom Halls any time soon. So I guess they are going to have to keep selling them until they run out of them. 🙄
  
  
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  Jws getting drunk

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone got any good 'jws and alcohol' stories?

  i always found it amazing that so many jws got blind drunk at parties and got away with it!

  i suppose alcohol was the only fun thing we were allowed to partake in....

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  StanLivedeath: drunk, 16 and a Christmas party...did the elders ever find out? 😱
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  Three Amish bishops who told woman to rescind protective order against husband, guilty of intimidation.

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  doubtful a judicial committee would order a sister to rescind a protective order, but might tell her she wouldn't qualify for the privilege of being a auxiliary pioneer while she had it.. .

  https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/amish-men-who-told-woman-to-vacate-protective-order-against-husband-lose-appeal-of-intimidation-convictions.

  'riley rejected the defendant’s citation of cantwell v. connecticut, 310 u.s. 296, 60, s.ct.

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  You've had a hard time, EasyPrompt! 😱 You're being very brave sharing things that might identify you. Be careful! Those guys can be vindictive; they remind me of the judge in the parable who "fears neither man nor God". Still ya gotta love it: once upon a time these blokes had a reasonable expectation of being able to hide behind a cloak of secrecy, but now their actions and words are being shouted from the housetops!
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  Did The Australian Royal Commission Actually Achieve Anything?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been going through past threads on here during the period i was not very interested in what was going on in jw world.

  the australian royal commission era caused a great deal of excitement and inspired some hope, but did any good come of it?.

  the 2 witness rule in child sexual assault cases still exists, and elders still don't call the police and try to handle things in house.

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  I don't really care if a few hangers-on are around in the decades to come. Look at the Mormon breakaway groups that are still loyal to Joe Smith and don't recognise anything that came after him. I'd just love to see the blatant demise of the central WT organisation, that took so much from so many and gave so much to so few (being on the GB is still a good gig, while it lasts).

  I suppose that it is something that they just can't exercise power the way that they used to. Their secret documents and communications are no longer safe from the public the way they used to be. I wonder how that affects the psyche of the GB and others in command? Once their word, both spoken and secret, was law, and now everything they whisper in secret is being shouted from the housetops. It must be quite the comedown. I wonder when the pilgrimages to Bethel will cease, or at least decline to the point that the GB will notice? The implications above are that it is already happening enough to frighten the Bethel horses.

  On a positive note, I used to hate seeing the smug face of Herbert W Armstrong on my tv every Sunday morning (I switched over immediately) and now the organisation that he built is but a shadow of its former self. So maybe there is hope. Selling off the family silver is a short term solution at best, and the diminishing number of Kingdom Halls must be worrying to the R&F, even while they're being assured that everything is fine.
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  2023-August-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  page 1. https://imgbox.com/32tnfnel.

  page 2. https://imgbox.com/f8jh7e0m .

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  NotFormer

  Could they ever bite the bullet and get "new light" on tithing?

  Some high control religious groups actually check members' payslips to verify that they are tithing correctly. I remember one Pentecostal pastor I knew that was slavering over the fact that Yonggi Cho's church in South Korea was checking church members' payslips at the door before services. He would have loved to have seen some of that action! 🙄

  Would the R&F rebel, or would they just bend over to receive more of the loving arrangement?
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  Did The Australian Royal Commission Actually Achieve Anything?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been going through past threads on here during the period i was not very interested in what was going on in jw world.

  the australian royal commission era caused a great deal of excitement and inspired some hope, but did any good come of it?.

  the 2 witness rule in child sexual assault cases still exists, and elders still don't call the police and try to handle things in house.

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  NotFormer

  And that is my point: they didn't wither. The two witnesses rule in CSA cases is still WT policy, even in Australia. And they still insist on handling everything in house and refuse to call the police. And probably disfellowship witnesses who exhibit common sense and call the police before informing the elders.

  About the only withering I see is that recruitment has become more difficult and that the people still in are losing faith/interest in the whole thing. A slow death by attrition is hardly desirable. This organisation deserves to go down in a bang, not a whimper.

  The CARC shone a brief spotlight on the corrupt practices of the organisation, but the Australian Government took no real action against it, and no other national governments took the opportunity to have a look at the witnesses, to see if they were up to the same shenanigans in their jurisdictions. Norway removing their funding is one of the few bright spots.

  I suppose that doesn't mean that we are stuck with the organisation forever. They once boasted about the funds flowing into their coffers and the real estate investments they were making with those funds. Now they seem to be running on fumes. The once profitable publishing business has dried up. Seriously, how does a business that doesn't have to pay employees not make money?? They were able to get a one off boost by selling off all the real estate that they by good fortune had invested in in New York City. So they made some decent capital gains, but those are windfalls, not reliable income. Even the once mighty sham of building ever more kingdom halls has fallen by the wayside, to be replaced by a renovation, rather than new building, policy. There are threads on here that suggest that the organisation is 🩸 bleeding money 💰 on lawsuits regarding the issues that they refuse to address and change, so there is much hope in that. As has been suggested in this thread, hitting them in the money belt is the way to make them feel pain.

  And what of the lovely GB? Do any of its members lay awake awake at night 🥱 and wonder what happened to the once mighty organisation? Or are they so surrounded by yes men that they have no real idea of how dire the situation is? Do they have any sense that something has gone seriously wrong? Apart from Tony Morris, that is! 😆😺

  So, what do posters think, can the WT last beyond the 120th anniversary of 1914, i.e. 2034? Will it?