Posts by NotFormer

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Real reasons behind this change?

by Gorb in

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just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

NotFormer

1975 represented 6 "days" of 1000 years since creation and the seventh "day" , symbolically the "day" of rest, was going to be the Millennium. So 1975 was going to be the year of Armageddon.

There was a lot of it going about at the time. The seventies was a time of upheaval. A lot of "Last Days" books were published by mainstream Christian authors, including: "Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East Crisis" (1974) by John F. Walvoord, "The Late, Great Planet Earth" (1971) by Hal Lindsay, and "What in the World will happen Next" (1974) by Salem Kirban are some examples. The JWs were just one group among many who were trying to tie interesting times to Bible prophecy.

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This Generation/ 1975

by TxNVSue2023 in

i was born in 1977 & came in as a convert in 2003 --- so i have no idea what went on before my time.. however i have been familiar with the scriptures of "nobody knows the day or hour" & " it will come as a theif in the night" meaning that it was sure but unpredictable time.

how could anyone belive that anyone else ( organization or not) put a date on it?.

also what was the significance of 1975 anyway?

NotFormer

Elsewhere I recounted the story of a girl I knew who was born in 1976. Her mother was constantly hounded by her JW sister who told her "That baby's never going to be born"; i.e. the mother would be killed in Armageddon, which was imminent. So the family joke came about how she was "the baby that would never be born".

1975 was very real to JWs at the time. And their literature had references to that date. The GB has since learnt to only imply dates and never to put a date in writing. 1914 itself has all but fallen by the wayside; they hardly reference it anymore.

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Two biggest issues for Watchtower right now

by Teddnzo in

selena accused tony morris of being involved in child abuse and the pimo bethelite who just got kicked out.

let’s see how this rolls out.

NotFormer

Just revisiting this thread after the announcements at the Annual Meeting. There's speculation that Tony Morris was removed because he was too hardline and old school to approve of the changes regarding counting hours and the change that allows for last minute repentance during the GT. Could his removal be more to do with boring bureaucracy than the more exciting reasons that have been speculated about?

The Baby That Would Never Be Born (1975)

by NotFormer in

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i wrote this story in another thread and thought that it could do with its own post for the benefit of those who claim that 1975 was never a thing.. in the 90s i had a conversation with a girl who had been born in 1975 (maybe 1976, now that i'm remembering the dates; she was 18 in 1994).

her mother's sister (a jw) used to point at the mother's baby bump and say something like "that baby's never going to be born".

presumably meaning "armageddon's imminent and you're going to die!".

NotFormer

I wrote this story in another thread and thought that it could do with its own post for the benefit of those who claim that 1975 was never a thing.

In the 90s I had a conversation with a girl who had been born in 1975 (maybe 1976, now that I'm remembering the dates; she was 18 in 1994). Her mother's sister (a JW) used to point at the mother's baby bump and say something like "That baby's never going to be born". Presumably meaning "Armageddon's imminent and you're going to die!"

Apparently it was the family joke from then on that that girl was "the baby who was never going to be born".

So get off your high horse 🐎, JW apologists, JWs were totally being told by their higher ups that 1975 was"it".

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Real reasons behind this change?

by Gorb in

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friends

just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

NotFormer

In the 90s I had a conversation with a girl who had been born in 1975. Her mother's sister (a JW) used to point at the mother's baby bump and say something like "That baby's never going to be born". Presumably meaning "Armageddon's imminent and you're going to die!"

Apparently it was the family joke from then on that that girl was "the baby who was never going to be born".

Rattigan, the JWs totally believed that stuff, and it wasn't people"running ahead of Jehovah "; they were being told this from platforms around the world (this happened in Australia).

Edited to clarify: She was probably due in 1976 (she was 18 in 1994), hence the "will never be born") thing, the pregnancy being during 1975.

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Did Anyone Have Fun With Their Field Service Reports?

by NotFormer in

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now that there is new light on reporting hours in field service, it's raised a few questions for me, who was never in the jws.

did any of you ever have fun with the field service report slips, by finding creative ways of reporting time without raising suspicions in those who oversaw the collection of those slips?.

also, can anyone upload an image of what the slips looked like, or point me to a post that gives uploaded examples of the sort of paperwork that was familiar to jws in good standing?.

NotFormer

Would someone have words with you if you turned in a report with something written down the bottom like "I'm claiming 123 XYZ Street for after Armageddon"?

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New Zealand - JWs head to court on Abuse in Care Inquiry - RNZ news story

by EasyPrompt in

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jehovahs-witnesses-head-to-court-on-abuse-in-care-inquiry-victims-feel-a-kick-in-the-guts/hwjsnshi5vfv7ghjztr63goseu/.

"by bill hickman of rnz.

the new zealand branch of the jehovah’s witnesses is going to court in an attempt to have the church made exempt from the abuse in care inquiry today.. in the high court at wellington, lawyers for the church are seeking a declaration that the church is not responsible for the care of children or vulnerable people in new zealand.. abuse survivor advocate and former church elder shayne mechen said the church was trying to use a technicality to side-step its inclusion in the inquiry.. .

NotFormer

"Since when?"

Lying liars gonna lie!

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Political Correctness and Censorship / Banning Books

by TerryWalstrom in

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banned books?censorship?.

let’s say you live in a land where the rule is: you can’t offend anyone.okay, fair enough.

let’s take a look at what follows (implicit in this rule).. if you are speaking to 10 people, is it okay to offend 1 in 10?

NotFormer

LoveUniHateExams: "There are plenty of classic films of the 70s and 80s that wouldn't get made today because someone, somewhere, would find it 'problematic' (Jesus, I hate that word)."

Try making Blazing Saddles today! Mel Brooks has said as much.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

NotFormer

Rattigan: good point!

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Things JWs Say That Don't Mean What They Think It Means

by NotFormer in

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sometimes things don't come across the way the speaker intended.. years ago there was an ad by the whitegoods company fisher and paykel.

they showed them going to great lengths to get customer feedback on what was important to them.

one customer said that she wanted it to be easy to get her appliances serviced when they broke down.

NotFormer

Sue, one anecdote that I'm pretty sure I've read here is when the householder says "I'm sorry, but I'm a Methodist!", the JW will quip "I'm sorry you're a Methodist, too!"