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  Did Jesus have a pre-existence or was he fully human, begotten at his human birth.

  by gavindlt in

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  so when was jesus begotten.

  was he truly and wholly fully human.

  did he exist in two states, part human part god.

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  NotFormer

  Slim, the Christadelphians deny the pre-existence of Jesus, prior to his conception. The ones I've talked to have said that, yes, the Word was in the beginning, but Jesus isn't the Word. I don't know if that view is held across all Christadelphian ecclesias; you might ask the ones you know, next time your paths cross. I'd be interested to know.
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  Where’s the 2023 Service Report?

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. beliefs

  what’s keeping them?

  this has got to be the latest it’s ever been.

  maybe it’s the last one they’ll ever publish too, after dropping reporting hours for publishers ….

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  NotFormer

  I'm surprised that "service" was not one of the words used by "Christendom" that Da Judge jettisoned to differentiate the organisation from other sects. It's not used in exactly the same way, but still, he could have purged it. Was he just not trying? I'm pretty sure "pioneer", used the WT way is unique to them.

  That being said, publisher numbers will look good for a while. Will they publish hours put in by pioneers and others who still have to report hours?

  Stan: to further confuse things, in the KJV, "publican" means "tax collector".
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  renewed active cooperation of the WTG as an NGO at the UN

  by Pedro in

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  2. scandals

  there is news about the wtg's cooperation with the un as an ngo.. according to the un, every ngo is obliged by statute to actively work towards the goals of the un.. the historical case on the same topic, from 1992-2001, should be known.. at that time, the cooperation was exposed by a report in the british daily newspaper “the guardian” on october 8, 2001.. the wtg canceled its membership a day later under the pressure of outrage from some congregations.. many witnesses couldn't believe it and wrote to the un asking for information as to whether it was true.. the un response letter is still available on the un homepage.. here is the link to the un statement.

  https://www.un.org/en/civil-society/watchtowerletter.

  now it is time again!.

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  NotFormer

  Make them nail their trousers to the mast!
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  JWs And Superstitions

  by NotFormer in

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  2. beliefs

  prompted by a mention in a different thread.. cracks in the sidewalk, a pinch of salt over the shoulder, black cats🐈‍⬛; do jws have such superstitious beliefs.

  are they allowed to?

  would they be counselled if the elders became aware?.

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  NotFormer

  How did Da Judge pull that one out of his orifice? Does the Bible actually say anything about Alcyone?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Sinner's Prayer

  by NotFormer in

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  2. beliefs

  i've noted before certain similarities between jws and independent fundamentalist baptists, such as door to door work.

  the ifbs call it "soul winning".

  the goal is usually to give a quick tour of a few bible verses, get the householder to "repeat after me" a formulaic prayer confessing faith in jesus.

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  NotFormer

  LongHairGal: "You are only as good as the last good thing that you did that benefits them. Or, how many HOURS you got! Ooops! You don’t need hours anymore. Well, what are they to do now?🤷🏻‍♀️"

  This is the sort of paradox I'm wondering about. I don't know if they realise it yet, but they may be on the path from "works based" to "cheap grace". Hence speculation about some sort of "sinner's prayer".

  The Watchtower seems to be transitioning to being less nasty, but it's got a long way to go, and let's face it, no-one knows what the end product will look like! 🧐🤔😱
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  JWs And Superstitions

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  prompted by a mention in a different thread.. cracks in the sidewalk, a pinch of salt over the shoulder, black cats🐈‍⬛; do jws have such superstitious beliefs.

  are they allowed to?

  would they be counselled if the elders became aware?.

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  NotFormer

  "I was going to ask if anyone has tried playing Rutherford's records backwards but realised there's no need to.

  His talks were very creepy"

  I remember an anti rock campaigner going on about "backward masking" and pointing out all the bands that did it. He conceded that Black Sabbath didn't do it. The reason? "They don't have to; the lyrics are bad enough forwards!"
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

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  2. beliefs

  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  NotFormer

  God may save the ones he knows to be "right-hearted"? Sounds suspiciously like the predestination that Russell rejected at the start of this whole sordid mess. 🤔🧐
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  ExJW from La France !

  by jwrogue1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  long time lurker here.

  i've been out for 8 years this very month.

  today is an important date for me because i'm posting on this forum for the first time and i just post my first video on youtube yesterday (channel : jw rogue) the channel is in french but you can activate the subtiles.

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  NotFormer

  Welcome! You're no stranger, so you obviously don't need to have everything explained about what happens here and what to expect. It's good see that you have decided to "give back" in making exJW content.

  Do your best to keep your anonymity until you're in the right place otherwise. There's no point making it easy for the bastards to make your life difficult.
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  The Memorial

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt teaches that the memorial ( communion) should only be celebrated yearly and only the anointed can partake of the bread and wine .

  is that right ?

  i don't think so ..

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  NotFormer

  jhine, as a fellow outsider, who goes to a mainstream Protestant church, I always saw this whole setup as an exercise in cruelty. To really grind into the great unwashed how lowly they really were to the GB.

  That the current GB can't be anointed according to the former rules makes the whole thing farcical.
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  Join JW's or DIE - soon!!!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  w72 10/1 p. 607 - "they (jw's) know that soon now all who are not true worshipers of jehovah (jw's) will be destroyed.".

  how quickly half a century passes by!

  2 peter 3:8 - "...one day is with jehovah jw.borg as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

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  NotFormer

  "Join JW's or DIE - soon!!!"

  Well...soonish?