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  General Amnesty For Disfellowshipped

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  future gb: "please come back!

  all is forgiven!".

  would it work?

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  NotFormer

  When I quote them saying "All is forgiven!", I'm not suggesting that the disfellowshipped actually need to be forgiven for anything. It's just channeling those entitled parents who estrange their kids and then want them to come back. "All is forgiven!" was what is now known as a meme, back in the day.
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  So what happens next...

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with what is arguably the biggest change to jw life in recent decades (the scrapping of publishers counting hours) what does this lead to?.

  in my mind these are the results;.

  1) a massive decrease in 'preaching hours'.

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  NotFormer

  Elena: "I can’t find the true global numbers of pioneers, publishers ect, but I would love to see some charts showing the last 100yesrs. I suspect they would show a peak and now way over the peak and now big decline."

  Would they be honest enough to publish the decline? The graph moving forward might show a plateau from the point at which an honest graph would show a decline.
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  The Apostates' Handy JW Glossary

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. social
  2. current

  perhaps this has been printed here before...but still it gave me a few laughs...so here it is again.. the apostates' handy jw glossary.

  by doug checketts.

  "anointed" - an experience that, unfortunately, no "anointed" one has ever been able to explain.

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  NotFormer

  Is "ones" in that list? There always seems to be a mention of some sort of "ones" with an adjectival epithet attached, like "faithful ones" , "loyal ones", etc.
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  Is The GB Paranoid? And Should They Be?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the gb seems to have a bunker mentality, that they are special, and that the world is out to get them, so they tend to keep within their tightly controlled, protective environment.

  bottlegate proved that there is some danger outside of the rarified atmosphere of their echo chamber; you never know when a camera might be trained on you, or that someone might recognise you as being something more than plain old "joe citizen".

  further, tm3's new address was quickly found and distributed, and (as i understand it) someone drove to his gated community to tell the security guard that tm3's "ass is grass".

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  NotFormer

  The GB seems to have a bunker mentality, that they are special, and that the world is out to get them, so they tend to keep within their tightly controlled, protective environment. Bottlegate proved that there is some danger outside of the rarified atmosphere of their echo chamber; you never know when a camera might be trained on you, or that someone might recognise you as being something more than plain old "Joe Citizen".

  Further, TM3's new address was quickly found and distributed, and (as I understand it) someone drove to his gated community to tell the security guard that TM3's "ass is grass". It's no secret that there is a lot of hostility focused in their direction.

  So, are they doubling down on their isolationism, cutting themselves off further from any ordinary encounters with the outside world that they might previously have had? If so, are they right to do so? Has the world become that little bit more dangerous for them?
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  Elders testing some promising men by talking like an apostate?

  by Person in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  couple years ago as a promising ms i had some weird conversations with two young elders.

  it was always as we where alone only i and the elder.

  they would initiate a conversations about things like blood doctrine, celebrating birthdays, view on homosexuality etc.

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  NotFormer

  I was just looking at the lyrics of Walk Like An Egyptian, to try and create a "Talk Like An Apostate" parody, but it was a bit too complex to pull off 😞.

  It reminds me of all those fake questions posed by loyal JWs on Quora, the ones that are supposedly by apostates asking gotcha questions, but are just a straw man to be knocked down by the loyal ones.

  It makes you wonder how loyal those loyal ones are, really. By WT rules, they shouldn't be engaging at all with people whom they consider to be apostates.

  Interestingly, any elders who are going to try these "sting operation" tactics have to be able to get the right sorts of doubts to sound like they might be sincerely questioning; are they reading "apostate" literature and sites to find the right kinds of questions?
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  Jehovah and Pleiades

  by James Brown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone remember seeing old watchtowers in their kingdom hall library before they destroyed them all, of the watchtower annoucing jehovah from pleiades kingdom.

  i am 72 years old and i remeber seeing these old magazines somewhere..

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  NotFormer

  I've got a feeling that it was Rutherford trying his hand at spinning weird crap, Russell style (cf. pyramids and such), before he went full CEO mode.
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  Hotels for convention

  by ElderBerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a department in bethel wants to try to make money from regional conventions by asking local hotels if they will give a special rate and a coupon code to give to jws.. .

  they should just keep it simple and not be greedy for dishonest gain.. .

  this year some convention sites the hotels said no thank you i think the jws are going to book with us anyway.

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  NotFormer

  "I wonder if those who are staying at the banned hotels will be shocked it’s full of other naughty witnesses"

  Who's going to be dobbing who into the WT?
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  Stay Sweet Pray an Obey documentary

  by moomanchu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  started watching this documentary on the fdls polygamist mormons.

  usual cult stuff that is familiar.

  in episode 1 the abused women talk about things they enjoyed.

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  NotFormer

  "Here we have a CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, rotting in jail........and he passes his decrees to his followers outside every week and they OBEY without question"

  That only needs to be modified slightly to make it refer to the GB: "Here we have the enablers of convicted paedophiles, cordoned off from the world in their compound... and they pass their decrees to their followers outside every week and they OBEY without question ".

  Interestingly, there is little difference between cult leaders directing their cult from jail or from a secure compound.
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  JEHOVAH'S WITNESS IS TAKING SPAIN TO COURT OVER A BLOOD TRANSFUSION THAT SAVED HER LIFE

  by Tahoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this article is behind a paywall: .

  https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/01/10/jehovahs-witness-is-taking-spain-to-court-over-a-blood-transfusion-that-saved-her-life/ .

  tahoe .

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  NotFormer

  The Red Cross should sue her to get their blood back!
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  A new ruling from a Madrid court supports that the Jehovah's Witnesses can be called an "extremist and destructive sect"

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a new ruling from a madrid court supports that the jehovah's witnesses can be called an "extremist and destructive sect".

  mc | efenews10.01.2024 - 16:51h the former adept gabriel pedrero was denounced for publishing that "they have blood on their hands.

  "the young man has also sued the organization for sexual abuse and is awaiting trial.

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  NotFormer

  Spain: 1, Watchtower bull(y): Nil

  ¡Ole!