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  Door to Door

  by pontoon in

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  2. beliefs

  just wondering if the witnesses still go door to door.

  once in a while i see them doing their cart work and my still in relatives talk about going out in cart work, never mention door to door.

  i haven't had a knock on my door since probably 2 years before covid.

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  NotFormer

  Yeah, Vidiot, not my proudest moment. I seem to remember having been quite unwell (not in any contagious way) on the day, so I wasn't particularly patient with them. Also, IIRC, I was probably still a bit shellshocked after finding out that they stopped going door to door during you-know-what. It's a bit like the Catholic church suddenly saying Peter wasn't the first pope. Door to door was THE proof that they were God's true religion, right up until it wasn't.

  Your instinct to always follow the money and their charitable status is probably at play here. Door to door work doesn't bring in any money any more, so it doesn't matter.

  Which begs the question, if the door to door work doesn't matter, what does?
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  More worship of men and framing as means of conveying pedagogy

  by mortimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest study article 51: enjoy a hope without disappointment, we're treated with a paragraph describing the previous president of the watchtower, frederick franz, as an example of a 'brother' who cherishes the hope of his heavenly appointment.

  we are further treated with a picture of this man meant certainly to evoke a sense of reverence for him (and by extension the organizations' leadership).

  the watchtower is very purposeful in how it frames any point it makes in its published work.

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  My understanding is that the blood doctrine was Franz's hobby horse. Rutherford wouldn't contemplate it (perhaps he needed transfusions late in life). Knorr allowed it as a favour to his young protege/sidekick/yes man. (Don't ask for sources; it's a vague memory of a discussion that was probably on here)
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  The Vaccine mandate has been lifted, with no explanation or apologies

  by redsetter2 in

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  NotFormer

  An apology would be an admission of wrongdoing, and as we know, they never do anything wrong 🙄(especially in areas that have legal repercussions).
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  Door to Door

  by pontoon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just wondering if the witnesses still go door to door.

  once in a while i see them doing their cart work and my still in relatives talk about going out in cart work, never mention door to door.

  i haven't had a knock on my door since probably 2 years before covid.

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  NotFormer

  I had a couple knock on our door about April (March?) last year. I blasted them about how they stopped doing the door to door work during the lockdowns, due to the directive from "your cowardly Governing Body" (I also slipped in a reference to the UN). "But it was a government mandate!" "You've defied those before!" She conceded "Yes, we have" and they excused themselves to keep going.

  I haven't had any visits since.

  There are people in town with a trolley occasionally, but they don't ever look approachable, so I don't bother even trying to talk to them. I hear they aren't up for robust discussion these days anyway.
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  Does The WT President Still Have Any Power?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in rutherford's day, it was absolute.

  knorr and franz had strong influence, even though the gb had voted themselves into a role of significance.

  being a corporation, the wt will still have a president.

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  Some names I remember from back in the day: Milton Henschel (was he president or GB?). Also Don Adams (everyone was amused by this; Get Smart references abounded).
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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

  new light?.

  https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

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  NotFormer

  I'm not usually in agreement with Vienne, but this is all stuff from the wishlists that are regularly posted on here. Amnesty for disfellowshipped? I suggested it a while back: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6606021645041664/general-amnesty-disfellowshipped But I don't really believe that they're capable of the level of compassion that such would require. Linking it to Jubilee? At least get your facts straight: Jubilee was fifty, not seventy, years.

  The Norway thing caught them with their trousers down. If they were seriously going to change the disfellowshipping rules, they'd be negotiating with the Norwegian government, not fighting them in the courts.

  Blood issue? Heavily entrenched and open to huge amounts of litigation, no matter how much they are trying to now say they had no influence over "personal" decisions on blood.

  CSA? Again, too entrenched. They've had over a decade to get their crap together, ever since the ARC demonstrated that governments have begun to show interest, but they've just sat on their hands.

  The posited changes will bring people running to the WT in droves? Are you having a laugh?

  Tony Morris leaving because of the changes? Again, heavily speculated on here, but not one skerrick of evidence.

  This whole video is just a regurgitated rehash of discussions had here and on Reddit.

  But Diogenesister is right, this would be mind blowingly impactful if true. And she's right, they have too much blood on their hands; they must never be forgiven, nor what they did forgotten.
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  Lines you would never hear from a Jehovah's Witness

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a slightly tongue in cheek, but also serious roundup of jw speak and why trying to reason with them is like trying to chip through concrete with a plastic spoon.. how many can you think of??.

  elder: 'yes.

  i read through the material you asked me to at your judicial meeting - you're right we're both in a cult!

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  "Yes, I'm getting my gender affirming surgery next week".
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  Just had a thought…

  by Vidiot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

  …dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

  …i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

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  NotFormer

  I can't see a Samsonesque self-sacrifice by the GB. One, they're strike me as being pretty cowardly. They're great at having others make sacrifices, but aren't that keen on doing it themselves. Two, I imagine they have comfortable living quarters and their regularly provided dinners are probably pretty good. Not to mention the added privileges like flying first class to be chauffeured to a convention where everyone hangs on their every word, five star hotel accommodation, etc. Also not to mention, the special envelopes handed to them by visitors to Bethel.

  Let's face it, they have it pretty good and they probably believe in their lifestyle more than they believe in their eschatology. They'll knuckle down and do what the government wants*, as long as they can keep the lifestyle to which they are accustomed.

  *Remember, they dropped the sacrosanct door to door work, their main distinction, at the merest hint that the government might have a problem with it, during the lockdowns.
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  Does The WT President Still Have Any Power?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in rutherford's day, it was absolute.

  knorr and franz had strong influence, even though the gb had voted themselves into a role of significance.

  being a corporation, the wt will still have a president.

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  In Rutherford's day, it was absolute. Knorr and Franz had strong influence, even though the GB had voted themselves into a role of significance. Being a corporation, the WT will still have a president. But with GB 3.0 hogging the limelight and seemingly making all the decisions, what exactly does the president now do?
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  Oh boy: 1,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses reach out to Super Bowl fans in Las Vegas

  by Tahoe in

  1. social
  2. current

  https://www.fox5vegas.com/2024/02/09/1000-jehovahs-witnesses-reach-out-super-bowl-fans-las-vegas/ .

  1000 lit-up carts at 50 strategic locations near the stadium and on the strip.

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  NotFormer

  Canvassing sports events? Is this the next new light to expect: participating in team sports is okay? 🙄

  Turnabout is fair play: the local youth sporting groups should stand around Kingdom Halls (off the property, of course) and try to recruit young people for team sports. ⛹️🤾🏏⚾🏒🏈🥌