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  "Put Faith in a Victorious Organization" WT 3/1/79

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the concept of "the organization" is not new in jw-land.

  it's been around since rutherford's time.

  ray franz is quoted as saying in the first jw expose documentary entitled "witnesses of jehovah" in 1986: .

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  The mental gymnastics they go through to come to such a conclusion must be torturous.

  And they blatantly say that your trust should be in men.
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  The first rule of beard club...

  by GrreatTeacher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ...is you don't start growing a beard in the spring!

  you start growing it in the fall, keep your chin warm in the winter, and then shave it off for warm weather.

  at least that's how it works in my household and in the northern hemisphere where the gb are.. i have the sneaking suspicion that there is going to be a steep learning curve for many.. will they know to trim it along their jawbone properly?

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  Surely* the first rule of beard club is to say that you were going to grow a beard all along and this is not a reaction to anything and that nothing has changed at all?

  * I'll try not to call you Shirley in the future
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  s-395 Adjustments-to-handling-serious-wrongdoing-in-the-congregation

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this was posted on jw leaks.. my truth's | dad seeking truth.

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  StephaneLaliberte: "Appeal committee: If a wrongdoer demonstrates that he is repentant by the time he meets the appeal committee, he will not be disfellowshipped"

  Is there an objective criterion for demonstration of repentance? Or does everything still revolve around the subjective opinions and biases of the elders, JCs and appeal committees?

  Have JCs and appeal committees been ordered to be more lenient?
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  Beards vs. Shunning announcements

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during lett’s announcement that beards are now allowed he elaborated at some length how brothers ought to feel and react to the change in policy.

  he warned brothers not to resent not being able to grow beards earlier if they had wished to do so.

  he also warned brothers who supported the old policy not to allow themselves to wonder what the point of doing so was now that it has changed.

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  'And for the future, if changes to birthdays and Christmas becomes a reality, you can guarantee, their immediate and wholehearted adoption into the JW lifestyle, too ... purely on the basis that "we can"'

  I'm intrigued by the thought of a JW appropriate Christmas celebration. Will the baubles on the Christmas tree 🎄 have the JW.org logo on them? 🤔
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  June 2024 WT: Don't talk about Anthony Morris

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the latest study edition mentions hypothetical scenarios of jws who are no longer serving at bethel or no longer elders, etc.

  and says we shouldn't speculate, as defaming them could border on slander.. we could unintentionally defame someone by spreading negative information.

  ..... would it be proper to speculate on the reasons why these adjustments were made and to share that opinion with others?.

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  PS: Don't mention Tony Morris!

  https://youtu.be/jRU89n4scDE?si=iWr0Nd4bBISBbxYc
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  June 2024 WT: Don't talk about Anthony Morris

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the latest study edition mentions hypothetical scenarios of jws who are no longer serving at bethel or no longer elders, etc.

  and says we shouldn't speculate, as defaming them could border on slander.. we could unintentionally defame someone by spreading negative information.

  ..... would it be proper to speculate on the reasons why these adjustments were made and to share that opinion with others?.

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  NotFormer

  That would suggest that there is a lot of speculation, etc. going on in JW circles that is getting back to the GB, enough that they feel the need to address it. Plenty of speculation about it going on here, but this is hardly their target audience.

  Is there a lot of chat in Kingdom Halls about Tony?

  jehovaxx is right: if they don't want speculation to fill the vacuum left by their lack of information, they should tell the truth. They've been so used to not telling the truth when a lie or half-truth will do, that I doubt truth-telling comes naturally to them.
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  Beards vs. Shunning announcements

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during lett’s announcement that beards are now allowed he elaborated at some length how brothers ought to feel and react to the change in policy.

  he warned brothers not to resent not being able to grow beards earlier if they had wished to do so.

  he also warned brothers who supported the old policy not to allow themselves to wonder what the point of doing so was now that it has changed.

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  Scully: "I wonder how many JWs who have been shunning DFd and DAd family members and friends for years are going to feel reluctant about reaching out to touch base with those folks, and what their reaction will be when those family members and friends tell them to pound sand?

  "Honestly how does one approach that?

  "Hey! Long time no chat! We just got New Light™ that we can talk to you again... isn't that great?"

  "*click*

  "hello? hello?"

  "*crickets*"

  The question to ask is "Did you know that what you were doing was wrong before or after the GB told you it was?"
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

  summary: .

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  TxNVSue2023: "So the JW's in my congregation ( regarding the new dress code) are saying things like "When persecution comes we will not stand out when going to the meeting dressed in slacks like we would in a dress or skirt. The governing body is preparing us for something to come in the very near future."

  Remember when the WT, the GB and the JWs proudly pointed out their differences as proof that they were Jehovah's true people?

  Now they're trying desperately not to attract attention!

  The same people who sent their young men to prison instead of allowing them civilian service in lieu, meekly allowed governments to stop their people going door to door. Remember when the door to door work was THE proof that they were Jehovah's people? A hundred years of their proud history dropped at the mere hint of a bit of government pressure.

  And now they just want to blend in.

  They've obviously lost any missionary zeal they may have once had. What distinctive practices and doctrines will attract new converts, if they just look like everyone else?
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  New light on shunning?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

  he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

  what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

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  Vidiot: "I can barely imagine any scenario where it doesn’t all end in a hot mess."

  They waited too long. Now they're playing catch-up; trying to look like the decent, level-headed human beings that they never were. 🙄
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  Will New Rules Bring JWs Together or Pull Them Apart?

  by doinmypart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's been a lot of discussion about the changes in the org.

  you might think all this would shake things up, especially for the older or super dedicated jws.

  but remember when gb decided all the khs and the bank accounts needed to be transferred/managed from the top?

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  no-zombie: "But the revision of the blood doctrine in particular, is likely to bring open discontent from the Brotherhood. Because, while few Witnesses have lost family by refusing a blood transfusion, a far greater number have had operations and personality contemplated the end of their lives, over this matter. And as a result, a lot of people could become angry after realizing that they have been misled, risking everything just over an opinion."

  And they will claim that they never told anyone they needed to die for the stance on blood transfusions; that some, in their zeal, chose to run ahead of Jehovah's chariot. Tell that to the family members who saw their loved ones bullied into refusing a life saving medical procedure by the members of the HLC! Will they deny that the HLCs even existed?