not to cooperate with surveys? what surveys? can you post a link for me to inform myself?
thanks...
guanash
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How to Raise the Perfect Watchtower Family
by metatron infirst, get a wife and some kids ( hold your marriage together as best you can).
then, impose rules that are practically impossible to follow .
( no masturbation, no unmonitored internet use, 5 meetings a week,.
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Yes the WT Told Millions of Youth NO COLLEGE!!
by JT in*** watchtower september 1 1975 p.543 questions from readers *** .
how many years of secular education are advisable for children in christian households?
today, there are many teenage baptized servants of jehovah... how far should they go with a secular education?
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I was not formally marked after beginnig postgraduate school, but people in the congregation avoided me socially. I think that was not only for considering me spiritually weak, but also, because they felt uncomfortable for their own lack of higher education. I remember several times the PO of my congregation dedicated several minutes of his speeches to talk against higher education (when the general thread of those speeches had nothing to do with that). He looked at me when doing so. that wouldn't have been necessary, anyway, because I was the only one going to the univerity then. I disrespected that man deeply. I hated him. we moved from that congregation, to one in the capital city after moving to thecity for my studies.
This Po was (still is) a bethelite elder who travelled to the province because of "special needs" of the area. so, he told his fellow bethelites, who served as elders in my new congregation that I was a proud and spiritually weak.
six years passed in this congegation. I was pretty comfortable, in the city I was not the only one studing, so the brothers were used to it, and they generally didn't criticise. anyway, among the ones who were studing, it was usual to rationalize the reason why we were studing and justify ourselves.
after six years I made a mistake. unclean behavior. sometimes I wonder if their really neede to adress a judicial meeting for that. I mean, I know it was wrong, I actually made a mistake, but it was occasional, not a usual behavior as they told me it was. some people get away from a hearing after commiting much serius sins. Ok. final result: I got kicked out. the chairman of that hearing was a truck driver for bethel, close friend to that former PO. he understood no reasons, I felt he was determined to disfellowship me from the very first moment. the other two ones: one was a fumigator, the other was a clerk at bethel.
and I blame it all to the feeling they had about me finishing my studies at the time.
I never fitted in there. So, I have to thank them for disfellowshipping me . -
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Yes the WT Told Millions of Youth NO COLLEGE!!
by JT in*** watchtower september 1 1975 p.543 questions from readers *** .
how many years of secular education are advisable for children in christian households?
today, there are many teenage baptized servants of jehovah... how far should they go with a secular education?
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guanash
I was not formally marked after beginnig postgraduate school, but people in the congregation avoided me socially. I think that was not only for considering me spiritually weak, but also, because they felt uncomfortable for their own lack of higher education. I remember several times the PO of my congregation dedicated several minutes of his speeches to talk against higher education (when the general thread of those speeches had nothing to do with that). He looked at me when doing so. that wouldn't have been necessary, anyway, because I was the only one going to the univerity then. I disrespected that man deeply. I hated him. we moved from that congregation, to one in the capital city after moving to thecity for my studies.
This Po was (still is) a bethelite elder who travelled to the province because of "special needs" of the area. so, he told his fellow bethelites, who served as elders in my new congregation that I was a proud and spiritually weak.
six years passed in this congegation. I was pretty comfortable, in the city I was not the only one studing, so the brothers were used to it, and they generally didn't criticise. anyway, among the ones who were studing, it was usual to rationalize the reason why we were studing and justify ourselves.
after six years I made a mistake. unclean behavior. sometimes I wonder if their really neede to adress a judicial meeting for that. I mean, I know it was wrong, I actually made a mistake, but it was occasional, not a usual behavior as they told me it was. some people get away from a hearing after commiting much serius sins. Ok. final result: I got kicked out. the chairman of that hearing was a truck driver for bethel, close friend to that former PO. he understood no reasons, I felt he was determined to disfellowship me from the very first moment. the other two ones: one was a fumigator, the other was a clerk at bethel.
and I blame it all to the feeling they had about me finishing my studies at the time.
I never fitted in there. So, I have to thank them for disfellowshipping me . -
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The issue of not having anything written on informing the disfelloshipped person of its condition to be, so that they may not have any grounds to protect their "rights" (my god, it makes me sick they use inverted comas withe the word "rights"),
I mean., is that letter scannned, can it not be used as evidence against them?
WHAT THEY DO IS OUTREGIOUS. They are raping us, and they expect us ("unrepentant wrongdoers" to thank them for the uncrhistian discipline they are applying to us).
I want to sue them. I want the world to know what they are. At last that. Because I know they will never be repentant on that.
Now, if I get into the class action, my family for certain will never speak to me again. is ther any way one can do it anonimously? my parent are really elderly. I love them with my whole heart. And this sadic publishing comany is holding them hostages for me. Can there anything be done in my case?
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Starting studies not a priority
by La Capra inmy best friend got to see something that i would have loved to see.
he manages a gas station and mini-mart, and he is in the enviable position of being on someone's magazine route.
i have been nagging him to bring me the magazines, but he keeps forgetting.
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Realist:
exposing dirty loundry about the organization to the outside world? never!!!
when I got disfellowhipped I was an emocional wreck, but would have never told that to a non WT. When I did it (my listeners couldn't believe it), I felt incredibly guilty, because I was tarnishing "Jehovahs name". And that's the way it is. It is a pact of silence, and of loneliness.
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"They streamed across the bridge to Brookl...
by LDH inthe history channel had a spt.
11 show on last night, and most of it was the same ol' same ol'---but something did catch my attention.. video was being shown of people evacuating lower manhattan, and the brooklyn bridge was filled to capacity with people.. the voice over says, "people fled every way they could--they streamed across the bridge to brooklyn.".
now, i'm wondering, if you had just left ground zero and you were one of the ones runningon the bridge--and you saw a big sign that said--.
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yes, the president elder (is that what you call the "PO"?) who is a bethel elder read a report saying that Bethel had opened its doors and helped the damaged ones, giving them immediate attention. It was the comment those days.
And several months later they read another report with experiences, telling that many had been witnessed, including president Bush.
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"They streamed across the bridge to Brookl...
by LDH inthe history channel had a spt.
11 show on last night, and most of it was the same ol' same ol'---but something did catch my attention.. video was being shown of people evacuating lower manhattan, and the brooklyn bridge was filled to capacity with people.. the voice over says, "people fled every way they could--they streamed across the bridge to brooklyn.".
now, i'm wondering, if you had just left ground zero and you were one of the ones runningon the bridge--and you saw a big sign that said--.
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guanash
At the time of the attacks I was in South America, and the reports that came one week after and were read to the congregation said that Bethel had opened its doors and helped the peolpe that were coming from the bridge, giving them water and food, and offering medical attention.
So, it was not so?
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Passive Resistence ... 10 Step Program
by Amazing inlegalism: over the last few years ex-jws have discussed much about how to deal with the jws legally, to stop slander, harassment, etc.
... and then somehow try to avoid being da'd or df'd.
this can work, but it take some preplanning and careful strategy to implement ... and in the end, the ex-jw often still gets shunned.
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guanash
Thank you very much for the answers.
Oh my... having to attend for months after reinstatement! One thing is going to the meetings, where I dont know anyone, so what the heck, and I dont have to treat anyone... but socializing! eeek. Their close society makes me phobic. They suffocate me.
Oh, Amazing! Thank you for warning me. Man! I cant believe they can actually redisfellowship you. Although I feared some secret move they could apply for these cases.
I have to introduce myself properly. Im visiting my family right now, so, Ive to be quick when I visit this site. But Ill do so one of these days, what I want to tell you now is that: I RESPECT YOUR MINDS. THE "AIR" HERE IS GOOD.
THANK YOU ALL.
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Passive Resistence ... 10 Step Program
by Amazing inlegalism: over the last few years ex-jws have discussed much about how to deal with the jws legally, to stop slander, harassment, etc.
... and then somehow try to avoid being da'd or df'd.
this can work, but it take some preplanning and careful strategy to implement ... and in the end, the ex-jw often still gets shunned.
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my parents are putting a lot of pressure to me to come back to the Org., that is like a nightmare to me.
I attended during 10 months after being df, then I had to move to the States and the elders did not want to reinstate me. Now several months have passed. I guess that if I want to come back I will have to attend for many months again. darn it!
It may seem odd that I want to do this, I am much in peace right where I am now, but my parents are elderly people, I am their only daughter, and they wont listen to reasons. I would never forgive myself if I keep them in this pain. All they want is me to be reinstated. "A change of status", just that.
What I wonder is: can they disfellowship me for stopping the attendance immediately after my reinstatement? What could they do, apart from being a terrible nuisance?
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Field UnService Report, August
by Bendrr inthe following material is classified compartmentalized.
delete before reading!
from: col. j.r. "bendrr" brown, bowenite unorganized militia 82nd netborne, secretary of public unfashion, minister of mullets, bowenite ungoverning body.
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Dear Bendrr:
I've no idea of what reasons you may have for posting this, but it couldn't describe my own situation in a more accurate way: young, disfelloshipped, trying to go back in order to please my parents, and finally being liberated by sb. (who has never been a witness, but because he loves me, did an open minded,extensive research) who made me read Crisis of concience, and confronted me with evidence of the topics you've just mentioned.
thanks.