here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
Concerned,
I am sorry indeed for misinterpreting your intentions. I know this must be a very sensitive subject to you, and I want to apologize for being rather callous in my remarks.
You've received a lot of good and sensible suggestions, even offer to help. I wish you the very best in untying this knotty issue.
pc
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
Concerned Fiance's post strikes me as totally insincere (note her almost faultless quote of the scriptures). Her first post, it so happens that it takes on an issue that has been discussed repeatedly on this board over the past twelve days. If she's been lurking, she would have read it all by now and would not need anyone's advice.
It sounds too much like a clever trick by someone to re-stir the pot.
from todays's newspaper we read.... bush's order targets bin laden's al-qaeda network and includes a list of 27 organizations and individuals identified as front groups that raise money to support his international terrorist network.
he conceded most of those on the list, including known terrorists and non-profit organizations, operate outside the u.s. .
"they often times use nice-sounding, non-governmental organizations as fronts for their activities.
Bx,
You're becoming delusional again!!!! You're still locked in the WTS mode of making predictions. So the Government is going to hit hard on the Watchtower - in what way pray thee?
- freezing WT assets after finding the Org. is linked with Osama Bin Laden?
- ramming Witnesses into prison?
- banning their door to door preaching?
- turning Brooklyn bethel and Patterson into arm producing/storage facilities?
What you fail to realize is that the WTBTS has for decades preached the scenario of persecution. None of that would surprise the rank and file. They'll simply find solace in suffering and further "proof" that they're the true religion after all.
Wake up, Brother. The WT will go under more as a result of its own internal contradictions than of a hammer from the authorities.
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from todays's newspaper we read.... bush's order targets bin laden's al-qaeda network and includes a list of 27 organizations and individuals identified as front groups that raise money to support his international terrorist network.
he conceded most of those on the list, including known terrorists and non-profit organizations, operate outside the u.s. .
"they often times use nice-sounding, non-governmental organizations as fronts for their activities.
Bx,
Keep dreaming.
i am in need of references to watchtower publications that contain images.
of united states government buildings, especially the white house-.
depicted as being violently destroyed by the watchtower society.. i have much of the wt literature pre-1992, and a bit of the post-1992 stuff,.
Tallyman,
The so-called facts you summon in your defense could be used by any one else, including the terrorists who struck those blows.
You fire too cheap a shot by pointing accusing fingers at the WTBTS; what in those images makes you so uncomfortable?
They are nothing more than artistic impressions of what you may read from your own Bible:
When Lot moved out of Sodom with the urging of the angels and, from the “mountainous regions”, saw the smoke rising out of the doomed city, what do you imagine he felt?
When the Isrealites saw the armies of Pharoah go down in the Red Sea with their chariots and officers, did they just sit down and weep? No, they sang praises to their God for drowning Pharoah and his horsemen.
When Jeremiah talks about those that Jehovah will kill as littering the earth from one end to the other, do you see a picture of serenity and not of carnage?
When Jesus spoke of the great tribulation, did he use words like "never occurred since the founding of the world and will never occur again?" Do you figure the proportions?
Those artistic representations are a reflection of what could happen if Armageddon happened in our time (or would you rather they depicted horsemen and chariots?. Armageddon may never come in our lifetime, but if it were to come, those are the images of total destruction you and I and everyone else will witness. What is so difficult for you to make out?
You are so consumed by your own blind hatred that you have to condemn more than SIX MILLION people announcing a message that is not theirs but (as they believe) God’s. You once announced the same message and would very likely not have gone they way you did had you continued to announce that message (someone commented that the WTC/Pentagon/Pennsylvania disaster would never have happened if everyone were a Witness). Where, in any of those pictures you so love to scan (and you’ve scanned and posted them everywhere, even on the old H2O) was there ever a suggestion, the faintest of them, for JWs to go ahead and attack established structures to bring about a fulfillment of God’s wrath? You are busy unfairly and most unethically condemning people who for no reason merit such vitriol.
You are quick to abuse others for telling you to your face who you are - an uncouth fellow, who would stop at nothing, not even the most horrendous tragedy, to pour venom on those you once called your “brothers”. Yet even now you proclaim your great love for humanity for making available tonnes of bytes to expose the WT. What joke!!!!!!!!
You know the epithets I could heap on you - but since you so well know who you are, I will not.
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Noidea:
Tallyman hates Witnesses, period. He's shown it more than once that he wants them all dead. Do you justify that?
I don't owe this walking ball of hatred any apology. He owes more than six million human beings and the whole of humanity apology for consistently expounding hatred.
People like Tallyman give ex-Witnesses too bad a name. I have seen him on H2O and I have seen him on this board. His message is despicable and indefensible.
pc
i am in need of references to watchtower publications that contain images.
of united states government buildings, especially the white house-.
depicted as being violently destroyed by the watchtower society.. i have much of the wt literature pre-1992, and a bit of the post-1992 stuff,.
How did you feel when you shot your brother, flesh of your flesh and blood of your blood?
How did it feel when you pulled a gun at another human being, the one you shared the same womb with?
How did his blood look like when it flowed?
Tallyman, you're cut from the same material as those who caused this disaster.
Your post shows just how demented you've become.
pc
okay, i know (or want to believe) that not all jehovah's witnesses are this calloused.
at least i hope not.
there are some good, caring people, but here are some stark contrasts i've observed today that remind me of how glad i am that i'm not part of such an overall unloving group of people.
Tina,
I would indeed. It might fetch me the axe, but if I were in a position to donate blood for this cause, I would without hesitation.
But I am 10 000 miles away from there.
No Tina, there is no such thing as the JW mindset as expressed on WOL; the WOL mindset is a fringe mindset in my opinion. Gloating over a disaster of yesterday's proportion simply isn't what I grew up to know as a Witness.
Regards,
pc
okay, i know (or want to believe) that not all jehovah's witnesses are this calloused.
at least i hope not.
there are some good, caring people, but here are some stark contrasts i've observed today that remind me of how glad i am that i'm not part of such an overall unloving group of people.
Sorry folks, but posters on WOL are definitely NOT representative of JW feelings. I am sick and tired of some of you poaching nonsense from that board and using it to categorize millions of Jehovah's Witnesses. My first and only reaction to this disaster is grief. Grief for the thousands who have perished, grief for their families, grief for the nation, grief for humanity. And I am still a Jehovah's Witness. It shouldn't take too hard an effort to understand that on boards such as these, those who post express their opinion and feelings. I don't read WOL - I find no interest in discussing favourite pizzas and artists, etc.; and I don't see how any opinions expressed in that board should be construed to represent mine or that of any of more than six million witnesses.
did anyone else besides my never-been-a-dub wife notice that today's events fullfilled the prophecy made on page 208 of the book "from paradise lost to paradise regained?
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Hmmmm.
I am surprised someone hasn't said the Evil WatchTower did it.
yesterday alanf posted an excellent parody of wt propoganda.
the thread was very interesting and a debate was underway as to whether he was way off base and just saying things out of hatred, or if there is some basis to think it's a possiblity, scary thought.. i have no intention of re-starting or starting a debate at this time (ok who am i and what have i don't to venice, jk hahhaha).
i simply would like to share my insights on the jw attitude toward apostates.. when i was a dedicated jw and had been asked that question by alan, 'would you kill apostates if the wts told you too?
The WT has never ordered its members or suggested to them that they could go out and settle scores with whoever. The possibility of them doing so is remote indeed. As tragic as some of the stories related here are, the fact is that we all at one time subscribed to the Society's interpretation of Paul's word to not even say a greeting to the one "thrown out". Those were the "rules".
I find the overall tone of this thread too condescending, the characterization and portrayal of Witnesses too blanket.
pc
