i'm writing this in dallas, texas.
as i write this, we're having another day of a grade red ozone alert.
in simple terms, our air quality is terrible.
Culver City, CA is the best.
I LOVE IT!!! I spent this past weekend there. 3 miles away from all kinds of beaches a perfect 75 degrees all year round. Not too metropolitan, and or over-crowded like Los Angeles. Diverse culturally. People are nice. Homes are beautiful. NO SMOG.
I don't live there now, but i'd give anything to be there. I lived there all my life until 7 years ago. Worst mistake ever!!! :(
I believe I'm moving back no later than January 2003.
i have finally started telling people inside the "org".
they both have jw's all over their families.
yet, they claim they will not shun me.
help get out???
I have finally started telling people inside the "org". My childhood friend and another friend. They both have JW's all over their families. Yet, they claim they WILL NOT shun me. (I'M SHOCKED!!!)
I don't see my childhood friend staying as a JW for the rest of her life. As for my other friend I think she would rather live a lie than hurt her family.
They are both VERY curious to know what I know, hence COC book. I have said to them that I don't want to be the cause of them leaving "the truth." However, this makes them even more curious. I'm dying to tell them and I know I have a good chance of getting my childhood friend out. But, I'll look like the evil one to her mother and temporarily to her husband. Although, I KNOW he will come around. I need advice plus......
I'd like to know how many here have had success stories on getting people out.
As always thank you for all your help, suggestions and support.
XOXOXOX,
PV
for a very long time, i have held off on making my departure from the jw's official (though, i am as far removed from them as i can be) because of my mother.
i did not want her to feel she must shun me when there would be no one to replace my presence in her life.
this was for practical reasons as well as well as emotional.
GET IT OVER WITH DA yourself!!!! I'm in the same position (with my mom) and this is my opinion:
If you don't DA you will always be in fear. If I celebrate my birthday, If I decorate my house with x-mas lights, if some JW hears me swear, if they question my new attitude . . .
and for arguments sake if you get caught... you owe no explanation, right????? True!! But if you get called into a judicial proceeding and fail to explain, YOUR SCREWED!!!! You will be DF'd.
NO THANKS!!!! I rather go out on my terms. I'm NOT going down like that. Unless you live in a new area where no JW knows you. I rather QUIT than be FIRED!!!!
i have been reading posts here for several months, which has helped me to keep from going insane.
my doubts came when i finally got the nerve to leave a bad marriage, why did i stay so long.
because i was ashamed and really scared of what "jehovah" would think of me.
Livingagain-
Joy2bfree is an amazing friend, she helped me a lot. Personally I can tell you that most of us here are going through much of the same. There are many stages that follow the exodus from this organization. Listen to your intuition. Listen to your inner voice, trust yourself. I was where you are now a few months ago. Personally I did a fast fade (against Joy's advice) but you have to do what s best for you. Every person's experience is unique but is worthy. Learn the lessons you must learn so you don't get the lesson again.
You will experience pain, anguish, depression but happiness will follow. Take one step at a time. Don't allow anyone to push you forward or backward. YOU are in control of your destiny. YOU call the shots. Empower yourself . . . go to school, make new friends, take a new hobby. Love yourself, and indulge. Don't feel guilty!!!! Don't give your power to those people . . . YOUDONT OWE THEM A THING!!!
The most horrible pain I felt came from the fact that I DID NOT HAVE THE TRUTH!!! I was not part of God's chosen Organization. THAT HURT!!! Be strong, I am your friend and am willing to help you. I live in Los Angeles, CA. Email me, look at my profile.
Hang in there,
PV
after posting a reply to another thread i wondered if anyone can answer these questions??.
1. why are sisters not allowed to wear trousers?.
2. when sisters where a skirt why have they got to be below the knee?.
Has anyone here been to a Spanish Convention in Los Angeles, CA? Oh my GOD!!!! Almost like Sunset Blvd. Hollywood, CA. Hoochi galore!!!! Tight . . .short . . .revealing . . .very provocative!!
i'm considering trying hypnosis to help me win my everlasting battle with weight, but naturally i have feelings of guilt because we were told as jws that we cannot use hypnosis....... .
anyway, has anyone here ever tried hypnosis?
i would be interested in hearing if it helped you at all.
I just had my first session 3 weeks ago and it's amazing!!! If you're in the Los Angeles Area email me I can give you the name of some amazing certified Hypnotherapists.
there's almost one year that i left the org, but i didn't know why i still have thouse guilty feelings.
i'm not doing nothing what in the bible is forbidden and i read the crisis book form r. franz.
when i read it, i felt that it wasn't bad that i had doubts of the org, because the goverment had it too!
What do we recommend about being guilty? Is that the question? If it is, DON'T. They do not feel guilty each time they look at you as the scum of the earth. THey don't feel guilty when you have 105 fever and expect you to go to the meeting. They don't feel guilty when one of their members dies because of "persecution" or because they refused to accept a blood transfusion. They don't feel guilty when children are being molested. THEY NEVER feel guilty when they do anything WRONG!!!
Guilt is horrible, and you MUST give yourself time to let it go. It takes time. But DON'T feed into it. Don't feel guilty for turning your back on lies, deception and hate. Love yourself and enjoy life. Have fun!
If the question is should you let your friend know about JW's? THE ANSWER IS YEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!! The more you get in the harder it is to get out. If you love her you will warn her subtly. Because if she perceives it as "persecution" you just threw her into their clutches even more. Be subtle, but firm and please don't allow her to be sucked in by such an unloving, tirant, hateful, and vindictive organization. I talk from experience . . .25 years in the org. indoctrinated since age 5 I'm 29 now and it's hard evry step of the way. BE PATIENT!!! It hurts horribly. I had 400 JW guests at my wedding (even though this went against Org. "advice") and NOT ONE, NOT MY MOTHER, NOT MY INLAWs, NOT MY CLOSEST DEAREST FRIENDS, LIFELONG FRIENDS will ever talk to me, EVER AGAIN. I cry every day.
Please don't feel guilty. Be thankful for what you have and live life to the fullest!!!
Love,Pris (email me if you need to)
?Hablas espa~ol ardilla? Do you speak spanish?
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masturbation the hidden epidemic an article that you don't want to miss.. .
felix a
ok maybe I'm a little gulable. This can't possibly be real, right?
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http://www.infoworld.org/watchtower/index-comp-wt.html
Thank you for this!
i have read of some people's bitterness because they were denied the opportunity to go to college.
during the 60's and 70's the society really discouraged any education other than what was necessary.
since the end was so near, especially around 1975, anybody that decided to go to "higher education" was considered very weak and unbalanced.
VERY UPSET AND CHEATED! I had a double whammy though . . . being a JW and Hispanic. I threw away my youth pioneering. Was never encouraged to higher education. My husband and I were told being a teller or receptionist was an excellent job. I always wanted to be a lawyer. NOW, at age 29 I find myself struggling through school for my BA to get into Law School. If I am lucky I'll be done when I'm 40. I had envisioned age 34. But it's unlikely. Working f/t and having 2 kids. It's too hard.
I was in honors classes with scholarships. I could have been done by age 25. It's soooooooo depressing. I try not to focus on coulda's or shoulda's.
