@Midget-Sasquatch
Or the Marcion canon the very first canon of xian scripture which only included one gospel and i think several but not all of pauls writings.
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40Someone has a list of scholars who believe in Jesus as a real person in history?
by TJ Curioso inwhen we say that most scholars believe in jesus as a real person, ask for real credentials.
who are these?.
someone has a list of those?.
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Is the Bible obsessed with numbers, if so why ?
by mP inin another thread, i made the statement that the bible seems obsessed with numbers, particularly 7,12, and 40.. the perfect example is while it sometimes lists different tribes of israel names the count is always twelve.. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/tribes.html.
what were the twelve (or thirteen) tribes of israel?
genesis 49 numbers 1 numbers 13 deuteronomy 33 ezekiel 48 revelation 7 1 reuben reuben reuben reuben reuben reuben 2 simeon simeon simeon - simeon simeon 3 levi - - levi levi levi 4 judah judah judah judah judah judah 5 zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulon 6 issachar issachar issachar issachar issachar issachar 7 dan dan dan dan dan - 8 gad gad gad gad gad gad 9 asher asher asher asher asher aser 10 nephtali nephtali nephtali nephtali - nephthalim 11 joseph (children of) joseph joseph joseph joseph joseph 12 benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin 13 - manasseh manasseh manasseh manasseh manasses .
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@trashuman68
LOL, there were really only 2 tribes left during the period that most of the Bible was written anyway.... the 10 tribe kingdom of Isreael was defeated by the Assyrians in 722 B.C. and all the people were led way to what is now Iraq. The 12 tribes were just a fantasy that wouldn't die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes
MP
Yes, which adds to the absurdity i originally mentioned where the BIble insists there are 12 tribes, even though 10 are lost. If i recall correctly the NT says there are 12 disciples to rule the 12 tribes.
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Someone has a list of scholars who believe in Jesus as a real person in history?
by TJ Curioso inwhen we say that most scholars believe in jesus as a real person, ask for real credentials.
who are these?.
someone has a list of those?.
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MP: We have cases in the NT where James and possibly Jesus quote the book of Enoch.
@leolaia
Yeah, but what does that have to do with what I said about the myth about Constantine deciding the canon? It doesn't. 1 Enoch was regarded part of the scriptures by early Christians, but that is not representive of the later situation. To this day, it is still a part of the OT canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, but that was probably in part due to the greater isolation of Ethiopia outside the Roman Empire.
MP
The purpose of Constantines mission was to set a definitive canon. He was the emperor of Rome, money was not an issue, a few more/less pages was not a deciding factor. The problem was some books such as Enoch were obviously absurd and conflicted with other thoughts that the church wished to define as its teaching.
There was no need to include Enoch because it didnt add any value to the message the church wished to declare.
In very brief the agenda of christianity is/was:
- the gospels establishes a peaceful messiah hoping to convince the jews to give up on false rebellous messiahs of judea
- jesus everyone should love everyone, slaves always obey masters, always pay taxes
- jesus did not eliminate mosaic law, paul did this.
- paul establishes some church governance
- paul eliminates the mosaic law
- paul visits many key cities of worship for various popular gods and shows them to accept his teaching. check wiki for info on each city. this was the start of the catholic(universal) church. paul didnt care about theology, he adopted ALL.
- acts shows unity of paul and the gospels
- nt is all about control, the church over believers, husband over wife.
- revelation almost didnt make it, its just nonsense but became useful when the church thought up the concept of payments for sin.
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Would You Be Willing To Adopt A GB Member?
by DT insuppose a gb member decided to take a stand for what is right and disassociates or gets disfellowshipped.
would you be willing and able to provide some assistance like a job or affordable rent?.
i'm just curious.
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@lamallcool
He may have been in the GB for 9 years but he had a career for tens of years before that. He didnt just walk in to the top job, all those years must have shown him the difference between the image of perfection and order the outside sees and the politics and conflict inside. Im sure at the very least after a few years at Bethel one would realise its quite different from a perfect society, that GOds direction would give...
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George Clooney arrested
by sizemik inhttp://entertainment.msn.co.nz/article.aspx?id=8436695.
george clooney arrested.
george clooney and his father have been arrested during a protest outside the sudanese embassy, and the actor says he has asked president barack obama to engage china on stopping a humanitarian crisis in northern africa.. the protesters accuse sudanese president omar al-bashir of provoking a humanitarian crisis and blocking food and aid from entering the nuba mountains in the county's border region with south sudan.. clooney, his father nick and others were arrested on friday after being warned three times not to cross a police line outside the embassy.
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@talesin
George Clooney is not an artist. Hes only in Hollywood because of nepotism. These days half of hollywood is the son or neice of some big wig.
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Is the Bible obsessed with numbers, if so why ?
by mP inin another thread, i made the statement that the bible seems obsessed with numbers, particularly 7,12, and 40.. the perfect example is while it sometimes lists different tribes of israel names the count is always twelve.. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/tribes.html.
what were the twelve (or thirteen) tribes of israel?
genesis 49 numbers 1 numbers 13 deuteronomy 33 ezekiel 48 revelation 7 1 reuben reuben reuben reuben reuben reuben 2 simeon simeon simeon - simeon simeon 3 levi - - levi levi levi 4 judah judah judah judah judah judah 5 zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulon 6 issachar issachar issachar issachar issachar issachar 7 dan dan dan dan dan - 8 gad gad gad gad gad gad 9 asher asher asher asher asher aser 10 nephtali nephtali nephtali nephtali - nephthalim 11 joseph (children of) joseph joseph joseph joseph joseph 12 benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin 13 - manasseh manasseh manasseh manasseh manasses .
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@prodigalson
Yes its obvious that Mathematics is the language of the universe. My original question was about the fact that some numbers seem to appear out of proportion and completely unrelated to the subject. Theres no mathematical reason why there has to be 12 tribes of israel.
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Would You Be Willing To Adopt A GB Member?
by DT insuppose a gb member decided to take a stand for what is right and disassociates or gets disfellowshipped.
would you be willing and able to provide some assistance like a job or affordable rent?.
i'm just curious.
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Why did Ray stay so long at the top, even after seeing all the machinations of the GB and bethel ?
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Someone has a list of scholars who believe in Jesus as a real person in history?
by TJ Curioso inwhen we say that most scholars believe in jesus as a real person, ask for real credentials.
who are these?.
someone has a list of those?.
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@mindBlown
You can read the actual sinaiticus scrolls online in numerous languages. Makes for an interesting read as compared to the NWT.
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Is the Bible obsessed with numbers, if so why ?
by mP inin another thread, i made the statement that the bible seems obsessed with numbers, particularly 7,12, and 40.. the perfect example is while it sometimes lists different tribes of israel names the count is always twelve.. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/tribes.html.
what were the twelve (or thirteen) tribes of israel?
genesis 49 numbers 1 numbers 13 deuteronomy 33 ezekiel 48 revelation 7 1 reuben reuben reuben reuben reuben reuben 2 simeon simeon simeon - simeon simeon 3 levi - - levi levi levi 4 judah judah judah judah judah judah 5 zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulun zebulon 6 issachar issachar issachar issachar issachar issachar 7 dan dan dan dan dan - 8 gad gad gad gad gad gad 9 asher asher asher asher asher aser 10 nephtali nephtali nephtali nephtali - nephthalim 11 joseph (children of) joseph joseph joseph joseph joseph 12 benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin benjamin 13 - manasseh manasseh manasseh manasseh manasses .
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@DLostLamb
Yes the priests used divination and the apostles themselves threw sticks to select a replacement for Judais when they eleected Matthais.
The problem with divination is not that it is done the problem is the priests in the OT want to be the ONLY authority. They dont want competition. If we examine the role in the temple and priests in the daily lives we can see they are a very influencial rich business. They are the only ones who can slaughter animals for meat, however they want a share. The same is true of sacrifices, repayments for sin and so on. Its all about MONEY nothing more nothing less.
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Study WT June 2012 - we are living in the days of the 7th head!!!
by Sapphy inwell, it's officailly in print now.
the 10 toes of the statue have no significance.. that was worth going to last summer's covention to find out wasn't it!.
i'm fading and still attend some meetings, so i'm still fluent in current theocrapic pure language, but read this quote from the new wt and see if it doesnt scream freaky deaky cult at you.
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Its funny how the WTS completely ignores the Ottoman empire which lasted for hundreds of years. They also fail to mention the Spanish, French or Holy Roman Empires. Its quite obvious they the WTS love the number 7!