Posts by mP

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

Take for instance nisan 14. There are at least 7 major events that occured on this day. im not saying believe the site below, but the scriptures they give do show us that all these events happened on nisan 14.

Its obvious the pseudo events have been shaped to always fall on nisan 14. The stories would work just as well regardless of the day or month.

http://heartofwisdom.com/biblicalholidays/2010/03/01/nisan-17-odds-one-in-783864876960000000/

Nissan 17, Noah’s Ark safely rested on Mt. Ararat (Gen 8:4) Note that the seventh month was later designated as the first month at the time of the Exodus (Ex. 12:2).
Nissan 17, Hebrews entered Egypt (Exo 12:40-41) 430 years before deliverance.
Nissan 17, Moses led the Israelites through the Parting of the Red Sea (Exo 3:18, 5:3)
Nissan 17, Israel entered and ate the first fruit of the Promised Land (Joshua 5:10-12)
Nissan 17, The cleansing fo the Temple by Hezekiah (eight hundred years after entering the promised land. (2 Chronicles 29:1-28)
Nissan 17, Queen Esther saved the Jews from Elimination (Esther 3:12, 5:1)
Nissan 17, The Resurrection of Messiah (think about it)

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

Ann

commemorating the rededication of the Holy Temple (the Second Temple) in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt against the Greeks of the 2nd century BCE.

mP:

They can pretend whatever they like but the dates all match the pagan festivals. The same thing happened when xianity adopted xmas as jesus birth. The reasoning behind remains the same. The sun is born in the winter solstices and starts to get stronger. Jesus is born and also comes to save the world. Jesus himself said it best, with phrases like he comes in the clouds, he is the light of the world, walks on water. Read all the supernatural references about jesus and replace a man with the sun and they are a perfect fit.

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

Ann

Not quite.

Yes quite. JWs are warned against astrology, not astronomy.

mP;

JWs are hypocrits, as i have pointed in various posts in this thread, its very evident that numerous writers in the OT believed in astrology. Josephus tells us there was a zodiac wheel in the temple of Solomon, and the 12 ttribes are the equivalent to the 12 zodiac signs.

ee Exodus 39:9-14: "...they made the breastplate... And they set in it four rows of stones... And the stones were according to the names of the children of Israel, twelve...according to the twelve tribes."

As Josephus says (Antiquities, 3.8 ): "And for the twelve stones, whether we understand by them the months or whether we understand the like number of the signs of that circle which the Greeks call the zodiac, we shall not be mistaken in their meaning." (Josephus, 75.)

Earlier than Josephus, Philo ("On the Life of Moses," 12) had made the same comments regarding Moses: "Then the twelve stones on the breast, which are not like one another in colour, and which are divided into four rows of three stones in each, what else can they be emblems of, except of the circle of the zodiac?" (Philo, 99.)

Feel free to lookup those books if you wish.

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

Lost:

I remember reading somewhere that the story in gen 3 is a perfect match for the snake or dragon which also bites a woman in the heal in the constellations. i cant remember which but if you look at the star map you will see it.

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

lost:

Thank you mp
So, in a nutshell, would be considered pagan?

mP:

Is that a question of statement ?

lost:

I began to think on the zodiac etc recently, when I read a bit about the Chinese Years.

year of the rooster, dragon etc, and I had an ooh moment, lol.

mP:

Not all zodiacs had exactly the same animals but the general idea behind the cycles and seasons is there. Even the four animals assigned to the gospels, or the four creatures in ezekiel are the main signs of the zodiac, one for the middle of each season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Living_Creatures

The animals associated with the Christian tetramorph originate in the Babylonian symbols of the four fixed signs of the zodiac: the ox representing Taurus; the lion representing Leo; the eagle representing Scorpio; the man or angel representingAquarius. [2] In Western astrology the four symbols are associated with the elements of, respectively Earth, Fire, Water, and Air. The creatures of the Christian tetramorph were also common in Egyptian, Greek, and Assyrian mythology. The early Christians adopted this symbolism and adapted it for the four Evangelists [3] as the tetramorph, which first appears in Christian art in the 5th century. [4]
The elements of the Christian tetramorph first appear in the vision of Ezekiel, who describes the four creatures as they appear to him in his book:
As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. [5]
They are described later in the Apocalypse of the Revelation of John: ”And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.” [6]

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

lost:

There are a few different translations, which leads one to ask, how can one trust the translations as being correct, so one needs to seek out a resource which has a reputation for as 'correct' as translation as possible.

The whole chapter of Job 38, is talking about nature, and how the earth is set, ond how evrything works in harmony.

Seasons, cycles, animals, life etc.

mP:

Agreed, but the ancients thought that the constellations had magic powers and controlled the forces of nature of earth. This is what the author of job is saying.

Job also mentions orion and mazzaroth = zodiac. its there in plain english.

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

Ann:

Firstly the Jewish calendar is lunar and ours is more accurate and solar hence the holidays float about.

However lets just examine a few of them and notice they are all related to the seasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_atonement
Yom Kippur falls each year on the 10th day of the Jewish month of Tishrei, which is 9 days after the first day of Rosh Hashanah. In terms of the Gregorian calendar, the earliest date on which Yom Kippur can fall is September 14, as happened in 1899 and will happen again in 2013. The latest Yom Kippur can occur relative to the Gregorian dates is on October 14, as happened in 1967 and will happen again in 2043. After 2089, the differences between the Hebrew calendar and the Gregorian calendar will result in Yom Kippur falling no earlier than September 15. [18] Gregorian calendar dates for upcoming Yom Kippur holidays are:
2013 – Saturday 14 September
2014 – Saturday 4 October
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_holidays#Pesach.E2.80.94Passover
Pesach—Passover [ edit source | edit beta ]
Erev Pesach and Fast of the Firstborn, ("Ta'anit Bechorot"): 14 Nisan
2015 – Wednesday 23 September
2016 – Wednesday 12 October
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavuot
Besides its significance as the day on which the Torah was revealed by God to the Israelite nation at Mount Sinai (which includes the Ten Commandments ), Shavuot is also connected to the season of the grain harvest in Israel . In ancient times, the grain harvest lasted seven weeks and was a season of gladness ( Jer. 5:24 , Deut. 16:9-11 , Isa. 9:2 ). It began with the harvesting of the barley during Passover and ended with the harvesting of the wheat at Shavuot.
The Jewish weak is 7 days for the same reason the pagans was 7, one day was given to each of the heavenly bodies, sun, moon and visible planets.

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The Book of Revelation and our Time

by Crazyguy in

i know there are not many peterists out there but for the sake of argument all you bible believers, a question for you.

its looking more and more like the book of revelation was written for john's time and not ours.

the number mentioned 666 is more likely 616 for the emperor caligula who put a statue of himself in the temple at jerusalem, and the first verses in the book and the last chapter all say that these thing will happen quickly.

mP

Crazy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast

Mark of the beast [ edit source | edit beta ]

Imperial seal [ edit source | edit beta ]

The mark A. Gk., charagma, χ?ραγμα, in Revelation 13:16 had been attributed to the imperial seal of the Roman Empire that was used on official documents during the first and second centuries. [38] In the reign of Emperor Decius (249–251 AD), those who did not possess the certificate of sacrifice (libellus) to Caesar could not pursue trades, a prohibition that conceivably goes back to Nero. The significance of this imperial seal had been paralleled to verse seventeen. [39]

Currency [ edit source | edit beta ]

In 66, when Nero was emperor, about the time some scholars say Revelation was written, the Jews revolted against Rome and coined their own money. The Greek word translated as mark (of the beast), χ?ραγμα, also means stamped money, coin or the impress on the coin hence, "no one buys or sells without the money of the beast." [40]

New Testament scholar Craig C. Hill suggests that the mark symbolized the all-embracing economic power of Rome, whose very coinage bore the emperor's image and conveyed his claims to divinity (e.g., by including the sun's rays in the ruler's portrait). [41] Zealot Christians from the 1st century refused to carry, look at, or manufacture coins bearing any sort of idolatrous image. [42] Thus it had become increasingly difficult for Christians to function in a world in which public life, including the economic life of the trade guilds, required participation in idolatry. [41] Adela Yarbro Collins further denotes that the refusal to use Roman coins resulted in the condition where "no man might buy or sell" (Rev.13:17). [43]

A similar view is offered by Craig R. Koester, "As sales were made, people used coins that bore the images of Rome's gods and emperors. Thus each transaction that used such coins was a reminder that people were advancing themselves economically by relying on political powers that did not recognize the true God." [44]

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Proof of Noah's Flood - Presently watching a Documentary about Europe & the Ice Age

by *lost* in

first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.

showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.

and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .

mP

Coma:

Why does it have to be global ? Perhaps that sea shell was dropped by someone or the land just moved or maybe the sea creaped in ? There are many alternatives Noahs story just doesnt add up.

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Embarrassing J.w 'historical' article ... Cringe....

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

what would an article look like if written by cult leaders promoting igorant beliefs, drowning under the weight of real evidence....?

enjoy!

(link below).

mP

I always wondered how do they find these articles and quotes unless the WT actively read all sorts of material from apostate sources ?