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JW Forum Closes Due to 2012 District Convention

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does anyone know what was said at the 2012 district convetion about websites?.

subject: jw forum .

http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/index.php?sid=a428e22582822b1665b41d48ee8f58c9&mforum=jw.

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Jesus says: Luke 9 -

49 “Master,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”

50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”

Watchtower says:

Imagine, thinking that we would know better, or that we could somehow supplement the rich spiritual food coming from Jesus' faithful and discreet slave, those whom he has appointed.

With that in mind, the slave class does not endorse any literature, meetings, or websites that are not produced or organized under its oversight.

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JW Forum Closes Due to 2012 District Convention

by biometrics in

does anyone know what was said at the 2012 district convetion about websites?.

subject: jw forum .

http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/index.php?sid=a428e22582822b1665b41d48ee8f58c9&mforum=jw.

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Does anyone know what was said at the 2012 District Convetion about websites?

Subject: JW Forum
http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/index.php?sid=a428e22582822b1665b41d48ee8f58c9&mforum=jw

Hello All,

After much consideration, in the light of clear directives given at the 2012 District Convetion of Jehovah's Witnesses, we have decided to close JWForum from public viewing.

This means that for the time being, you, as a MEMBER, can still access the information on the site (for reference only) but it is no longer viewable to the public. The Question & Answer forum will remain open for non-witnesses.

Feel free to use any of the information on this site for your personal use and/or copy any answers you found helpful. The coffee (CHAT) room will be closed but for any Witnesses interested in wholesome online association we fully recommend the following site.

http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/list.php?10

The new up and coming WATCHTOWER LIBRARY provides a source for interested persons to find all the information they need about the beliefs and teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, and while we sincerely hope this site has been helpful to some, we cannot in good conscience continue to maintain it as a public information source.

We wish you all Jehovah's continued blessing and remain available for any questions you may have about the future of the site.

Best Regards,
JW Forum Administrators

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"Evidently" the New Watchtower Propoganda Buzzword is "Clearly"

by LostGeneration in

we have seen hundreds of examples of where the watchtower uses the word "evidently" to make their doctrinal point.

(page 9, para 6).

(page 19 para 5).

I call it "Watchtower Speak", the language of manipulation."Clearly", "Evidently" and most of their other buzzwords are used to psychologically intimidate those under the WT spell. Other words, when given a different meaning than ordinary, (e.g. Publisher) form a secret cult language that bonds members. Those words reinforce WT "Group Think", anyone who even questions the doctrine is "Clearly" an apostate, or outsider to the cult.

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Questions critical of 1914

by biometrics in

i have a relative coming over because he's concerned about my spiritual health.

i said i have some legitimate concerns about the watchtower claiming to be god's representative on earth.

we agreed to do a frank and open (if that's even possible) study of 1914 doctrine, and the "nu lite" about the overlapping generations.. does anyone have good questions or points to shoot-down the 1914 doctrine, and the "nu lite" on overlapping generations?

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I'll hilight those sections in the reasoning book before he comes. I want to keep it as simple as possible, otherwise I'll risk getting into a circular argument.

I want to keep questions very consise and I'll be insisting on answers.

Ask them why the WTS doesn't use the same concept of "generation" as Bible writers Matthew and Luke.

Does anyone have scriptures for these?

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Questions critical of 1914

by biometrics in

i have a relative coming over because he's concerned about my spiritual health.

i said i have some legitimate concerns about the watchtower claiming to be god's representative on earth.

we agreed to do a frank and open (if that's even possible) study of 1914 doctrine, and the "nu lite" about the overlapping generations.. does anyone have good questions or points to shoot-down the 1914 doctrine, and the "nu lite" on overlapping generations?

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The meeting was posponed last week becauese of weather, but he said he'll be coming over tonight, or tomorrow night.

I prefer to start with Jeremiah 25:12 because it provides a direct statement that conflicts with their view.

Can somone give me a bit more info on how Jeremiah 25:12 confilcts with JW views.

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All JWs share the same belief

by biometrics in

i was having a discussion with a (currently serving) elder recently when he brought up a straw-man argument that went something like this:.

elder: i've been invited to speak with other christian groups, you know what they do when studying the bible?.

elder: they read a verse or chapter, then go around the room asking how everyone interprets the reading.

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It was a shame he left in such a hurry. I was going to ask him another question "So if a beleif of the Jehovah's Witnesses is, in fact, incorrect, are all JWs obliged to accept that belief?", and "What about those who vocally disagree, get disfellowshipped, then the Faithful and Discrete Slave later change their understanding, do they get an apology and reinstatement?"

Maybe next time?

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All JWs share the same belief

by biometrics in

i was having a discussion with a (currently serving) elder recently when he brought up a straw-man argument that went something like this:.

elder: i've been invited to speak with other christian groups, you know what they do when studying the bible?.

elder: they read a verse or chapter, then go around the room asking how everyone interprets the reading.

biometrics

I was having a discussion with a (currently serving) elder recently when he brought up a straw-man argument that went something like this:

Elder: I've been invited to speak with other Christian groups, you know what they do when studying the bible?

Me: No, I'm not sure, what do they do?

Elder: They read a verse or chapter, then go around the room asking how everyone interprets the reading. And you know, every one of them give a different answer on what they believe it means. Jehovah's Witnesses don't do that, we all share a common understanding of what it means because the faithful and discrete slave has given us the meaning.

Me: I think many JWs have their own beliefs/doubts but won't mention them because they're too scared of being disfellowshipped. And any who do disagree are quickly routed out of the congregation.

Elder: * Silence * .... Change of topic .... Made excuse to leave

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Severe Blood Conservation Appears Safe In Cardiac Surgery For Jehovah's Witnesses

by TJ Curioso in

severe blood conservation appears safe in cardiac surgery for jehovah's witnesses .

severe blood conservation in conjunction with cardiac surgery is not associated with long-term adverse consequences, according to a new study published in archives of internal medicine.

investigators from the cleveland clinic and the nhlbi compared 322 patients who were jehovans witnesses with an equal number of matched controls.

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Now you'll hear JWs using this as proof they are God's people.

My answer to that is, what about Japanese Okinawans who have 80% lower rates of heart disease and stroke. Are they God's chosen people too?

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A JW book stand just started near my work

by biometrics in

a jw brother has setup a bookstand in a shopping mall area (outdoor) near my work.

i must say he's put some effort into creating the counter, and display stand.

at first i thought it was a coroprate stand selling insurance or something, then i saw "awake".. he had a really comfortable chair, and looked bored watching people walk past.. the local gov allow market stalls there three days per week.

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Biometrics, I'm curious, are you in the US? If so, wow, I've never seen a JW bookstand in a commercial area.

No, I'm in Australia. I've seen these stands in Sydney before but never where I live.

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A JW book stand just started near my work

by biometrics in

a jw brother has setup a bookstand in a shopping mall area (outdoor) near my work.

i must say he's put some effort into creating the counter, and display stand.

at first i thought it was a coroprate stand selling insurance or something, then i saw "awake".. he had a really comfortable chair, and looked bored watching people walk past.. the local gov allow market stalls there three days per week.

biometrics

A JW brother has setup a bookstand in a shopping mall area (outdoor) near my work. I must say he's put some effort into creating the counter, and display stand. At first I thought it was a coroprate stand selling insurance or something, then I saw "AWAKE".

He had a really comfortable chair, and looked bored watching people walk past.

The local gov allow market stalls there three days per week. I expect he's pioneering and trying to get the hours in. If he does it three days per week, 8 hours a day, that's 96 hours per month!