Posts by proandcon

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Getting df'd for telling others about the WTS and the UN fiasco

by proandcon in

not too long ago in a local congregation in massachusetts, two people were df'd for telling others about the wts involvement with the un...anyone else hear of this happenning in your area?

i guess teling othere the truth about the wts is not allowed either.

the lack of honesty and humility in this group never ceases to amaze me.

proandcon

Lo-ru-hamah...thanks for the info...very sad...your parents were not very outward about the UN fiasco yet were still both sought out and df'd? Did they have other issues that they were vocal about? The elder body there seems extremely aggressive...more so than I have ever seen or heard. Very sad...I hope you and your parents can recover from their actions and move on outside the JW's. Hopefully the shunning and loss of contact with some closer :friends" will not be too difficult.

Actions like these prove that the WTS has lost complete touch and is a legalistic paranoid group who only will accept totally mindless drones to follow its every direction. Is this was Jesus wnted/taught. Not likely...thanks.

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HELP.... kingdom hall to be erected in my community....town meeting!

by meljon in

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just spoke with the mayor of our town about a notice in this mornings paper, re the jws are applying to build a hall in our community,,,,,,,,, would anyone care to comment on what they would say at this meeting?

i mentioned to him that it is a cult and i do not want it in our town.

he admitted he didnt know much about the jws and their beliefs and i told him about the abuse and actions being handled by the elders and not the police and also the non government views.

proandcon

Make sure the town stipulates that meetings can be held only on 3 days a week...oftentimes, JW's will get an ok to build based on one congregation and in time amother cong shares the hall ...and doubles the meeting schedule...meanwhile the JW's never inform the town of this change...useage is then doubled.

also, be sure town is aware if the new hall will contain a residential apartment...most new halls will I believe to house the CO or those who are "leaving" bethel" to go into the FT service work at localaties. The approval to do so may be just that much more difficult to obtain.

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Getting df'd for telling others about the WTS and the UN fiasco

by proandcon in

not too long ago in a local congregation in massachusetts, two people were df'd for telling others about the wts involvement with the un...anyone else hear of this happenning in your area?

i guess teling othere the truth about the wts is not allowed either.

the lack of honesty and humility in this group never ceases to amaze me.

proandcon

Juni...good point...and if the JW's are dissed legitemately or otherwise by some other organization (religious or governmental) they just claim they're being persecuted...great racket...like... heads I win, tails you lose...

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Getting df'd for telling others about the WTS and the UN fiasco

by proandcon in

not too long ago in a local congregation in massachusetts, two people were df'd for telling others about the wts involvement with the un...anyone else hear of this happenning in your area?

i guess teling othere the truth about the wts is not allowed either.

the lack of honesty and humility in this group never ceases to amaze me.

proandcon

Greendawn and Balsam...well put...very sad how this crew destroys families and lives as it continues to repress any clear expressions...More sad still are the many who don't question anything stated by the WTS...my experience here though is that the "zeal" is definitely substantially reduced...most just go thru the motions at best, feighn illnesses to reduce activity and at least some (more and more) scratch their head as the inane comments by the WTS still keep coming... and they still keep swallowing them...issues like this will cause some quietly to question the leadership...is the HS asleep at the switch or what?

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Getting df'd for telling others about the WTS and the UN fiasco

by proandcon in

not too long ago in a local congregation in massachusetts, two people were df'd for telling others about the wts involvement with the un...anyone else hear of this happenning in your area?

i guess teling othere the truth about the wts is not allowed either.

the lack of honesty and humility in this group never ceases to amaze me.

proandcon

BluesBrother...good point...at least one of these twopeople were quite vocal in their sharing of this information...they established a web site highlighting the UN / NGO WTS association...included all the WT docs etc...local elders here are failrly apathetic and lazy...apparently the WTS in NY got wind of the site and told the CO to push the elders to action...claim was "apostasy"...local needs talk given to be careful of what you hear and from whom...then the people were quietly axed...most here don't know exactly why...telling the truth about the "truth" was not tolerated by the WTS...wonder how Jesus would fare vs this bunch...likely he'd be df'd for exposing their "shortcomings".

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Getting df'd for telling others about the WTS and the UN fiasco

by proandcon in

not too long ago in a local congregation in massachusetts, two people were df'd for telling others about the wts involvement with the un...anyone else hear of this happenning in your area?

i guess teling othere the truth about the wts is not allowed either.

the lack of honesty and humility in this group never ceases to amaze me.

proandcon

Not too long ago in a local congregation in Massachusetts, two people were df'd for telling others about the WTS involvement with the UN...anyone else hear of this happenning in your area? I guess teling othere the truth about the WTS is not allowed either. The lack of honesty and humility in this group never ceases to amaze me. How could this "spirit directed " organization have been so misdirected?

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What kind of safety precautions do dubs take for field service?

by Check_Your_Premises in

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do they provide guidelines about safely entering homes?.

if a jw enters a home for the first time, what kind of safety precautions are taken by the car group to ensure the safety of the jw?.

for instance i was shocked to find out my jw wife wasn't instructed by the elders as to which homes belonged to registered sex offenders.

proandcon

I always wore a condom in service...as an ex boy scout I was always "prepared"...can't be too careful these days....

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WAS THERE ANYONE FAMOUS IN YOUR CONGREGATION?

by badboy in

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any takers?

proandcon

Pee Wee Herman...that's right Pee Wee...in his hay day...before he was busted...visited our cong once with a JW acquaintance...wore a gray suit with a red tie...white shoes...just like on the show...spent an inordinate amount of time in the bathroom...wonder why...a real fave of most JW parents their kids especially...never saw him again...many got his autograph...maybe he'll be back...

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Do you think the real reason why Elders don't make shepherding visits is...

by XJW4EVR in

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that they can't count the hours?

proandcon

Blondie is right on...good sheparding calls take effort and time...two things most elders don't "buy out"(I was one on several bodies...incl ones near bethel)...plud if you shepard someone correctly it means you are actively seeking to "help" them...most elders really don;'t want to get that close to the "flock of God (who is suppossed to be in their care)...additionally many elders are quite poor at spending the time to prepare for the study to upbuild one spiritually...many have a poor handle on the scriptures in an "informal" setting and fear not "looking good"...there are many other reasons...it is suppossed to be key feature of the bodies activity...mostly it isn't even close...sometimes ...mostly thru guilt...an effort is started...but it always wanes withing a few months...it is one of the best kept "jokes" of the arrangement...the "sheparding call"...

proandcon (former elder)

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Worst/strangest bookstudy group

by Virgochik in

ok, i was reading the "worst bookstudy book" thread, and it got me thinking about the worst book study groups i went to.

once, my dad was study conductor and the study was held in an elderly sister's home.

there was antique furniture and doilies on the tables.

proandcon

I was new and in a congreagtion near WT Farm in NY state...a "brother" (MS) had a book study at his very large country house...large room...34 in the book study...of which about 1/2 were kids...the brother was "uncomfortable" around people "of color"...each week some of the young (6-8 yrs old) kids "of color" would use his bathroom near the study room...you could see he had a problem with this..after the prayer , he would march to his cleaning closet to get cleaning products and immediately begin sanitizing the bathroom...before most had left...finally after several weeks of this routine...he just closed the bathroom door and put an out of order sign on the toilet...great Christian qualitiy for sure...he always cried about why he wasn't selected to be an elder...quite frankly...I always thought he could have just as easily been more comfortable under a white hooded robe...his racist comments were unbelievable...the bethelites in attendance were completely mum...a real strange deal for sure...