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  Are You For or Against The Death Penalty?

  by minimus in

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  personally, i have nothing against executing wanton murderers.

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  Minimus:

  Democrat? Do you think I'm stupid?

  Pretty dumb guess.

  (ok. I'm done with the stupid talk.)
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  Are You For or Against The Death Penalty?

  by minimus in

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  personally, i have nothing against executing wanton murderers.

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  No Minimus. You are stupid.

  I love these kinds of questions because they have been debated to "death".

  It also helps me to separate the superficial thinkers from the "real" thinkers. The wise and the stupid.

  In the 21st century anyone who is for the death penalty has been left behind. In fact they have a lot in common with suicide terrorists.
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  Are You For or Against The Death Penalty?

  by minimus in

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  personally, i have nothing against executing wanton murderers.

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  Anyone for the Death Penalty is an idiot and should feel very comfortable as a JW.

  The Death Penalty is a carry over from stupid religious reasoning. It is the opposite of enlightened thinking.

  Paying to keep a killer in jail is a very small price to pay for maintaining your own human dignity.

  I have sound reasons for believing this way (scientific mostly) and don't feel it is necessary to give legitimacy to an idea that most of the civilized world have already condemned.

  The USA, is in good company -

  AFGHANISTAN, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, BAHAMAS, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELIZE, BOTSWANA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CHAD, CHINA, COMOROS, CONGO (Democratic Republic), CUBA, DOMINICA, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GABON, GHANA, GUATEMALA, GUINEA, GUYANA, INDIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, JAMAICA, JAPAN, JORDAN, KAZAKSTAN, KOREA (North), KOREA (South), KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAOS, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBERIA, LIBYA, MALAWI, MALAYSIA, MONGOLIA, NIGERIA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, PHILIPPINES, QATAR, RWANDA, SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SOMALIA, SUDAN, SWAZILAND, SYRIA, TAIWAN, TAJIKISTAN, TANZANIA, THAILAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE
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  The Move Towards Wholeness Man meets His Animus or Visa Versa C. Jung

  by frankiespeakin in

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  ok we got a lot of smart people on this board what do you say about this.

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  Jung had his day.

  Everyone is somewhere on the andro-gynic dimension. There are masculine women and feminine men. What people need to do is figure where they fit on that continuum and learn to be comfortable with it. I don't believe you can ever achieve integration if you are too masculine or too feminine. You have to learn techniques and reminders that make you conscious of your deficit.

  Men (and Women) who are into independence and control tend to avoid intimacy. They need to be aware of how that can affect other people and their relationships.

  Women (and Men) who are into creativity and relationships need to be aware of the dangers of being too accepting, tolerant and trusting.
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  The Move Towards Wholeness Man meets His Animus or Visa Versa C. Jung

  by frankiespeakin in

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  ok we got a lot of smart people on this board what do you say about this.

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  Getting in touch with your feminine side??? hmmmmm. Does that mean using my left hand?
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  Link between BTG and Roman empire seeking information

  by Ticker in

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  can someone who knows about this please elaborate as i have never heard this explanation.

  i had no idea that their was a possibility that john was depicting babylon the great as figurative to rome.

  this is new to me but very interesting, can someone please provide some references or examples as to how this is probable.

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  Leolia:

  5) The angel then provides a second interpretation of the seven heads of the beast in Revelation 17:10, claiming that they represent seven kings. Of these, five were described as fallen, one was currently ruling, the seventh was to come for a short while, and an eighth (corresponding to the figure of Nero redivivus) was to follow the seven. Attempts to identify these kings with historical Roman emperors has proven to be notoriously difficult. This is because there was some disagreement over who was the first emperor (e.g. Suetonius and Josephus regarded Julius Caesar as the first emperor, while Tacitus and Vergil regarded Augustus as the first emperor), and whether the three short-lived emperors of AD 68-69 (Galba, Otho, and Vitellius) count or not. Sybilline Oracles 5:35 and Josephus, Jewish War 4.491-99 mentioned Galba, Otho, and Vitellius, but Suetonius (Vespasian, 1) terms the three emperors' reigns as the "rebellion of the three princes" (rebellio trium principum), suggesting that their brief tenure were mere interregna between the reigns of legitimate emperors. Another uncertainty is whether the short-lived seventh king of Revelation 17:10 was intended to correspond with the three emperors of AD 68-69, with one of them, or with the relatively short reign of Titus (AD 79-81). One attractive and popular interpretation is to posit Augustus, Tiberius, Gaius, Claudius, and Nero as the first five emperors, Vespasian as the sixth emperor who "is" (skipping over the three interregna), Titus as the emperor "who must stay for a short while", and Domitian as the final emperor, Nero redivivus. However, Jewish and Christian sources otherwise seem to start with Julius Caesar as the first emperor (cf. Josephus, Antiquities 18.32, Sibylline Oracles 5:12, 4 Ezra 12:15, Barnabas 4:3-6, Theophilus, Ad Autolycum, 3.27), so this solution may well not be correct. It may also be the case that such approaches are somewhat forced since "seven" is a highly symbolic number in Revelation, and so it may not be reasonable to expect a perfect correspondence here.

  The trouble with these explanations is that they are based on the premise that predicting world events is impossible.

  It's all guessing and the result is NOT a seamless explanation by any means. The ultimate purpose behind the approach you suggest is to discourage people from looking for some future fullfilment of the visions of Revelation.

  Each individual is to decide how much weight they want to put on various explanations. However, if a person is inclined to look for some present day or near future fullfilment - then I think my interpretation is more coherent than any of the others. (Watchtower, LaHaye, etc.)

  This is a brief outline:

  Soviet Union/Russia is the seventh head of the beast that appears slaughtered to death.

  It died in 1991. It started looking like a lamb (second part of Rev 13) with free markets and "democratic" election. It is now speaking as the Dragon - persecuting JW's and other small religious groups, government take-over of Televion and other media outlets. Nationalizing oil interests. Questionable elections resulting from restrictive election rules for various parties. Harrassment of those who would challenge Putin.

  Babylon the Great is the USA. The USA is trying to encircle Russia with NATO expansion and continued meddling in the internal affairs of former Soviet Republics. The USA is the ultimate hegemon. It has established trade agreements with ruling elites in countries all over the world (fornication) The consequence of this has been governments being placed in hands of minority nationalities that are beholding to the USA for training their secret police and building repressive regimes. The payment to the USA is exclusive access to cheap labor and natural resources.

  The revived Russia/USSR is actually like an eighth king although it is one of the seven. At some point it forms an alliance with the kings that have not yet received legitimate rulership. These USA haters eventually destroy the USA. Most likely this will involve an event referred to by Jesus as "the disgusting thing standing where it ought not". From that point things begin to escalate and the Great Tribulation ensues ending in Armageddon. Armageddon is a battle that involves only a third of the earth.

  This parallels the final scenes of Daniel. The King of the South pushes the King of the North until the King of the North destroys the King of the South. The final political power on earth is described as an extension of the Roman Empire (feet of iron and clay). This is a fitting description of the Russian empire made up of close to 100 nationalities over 11 time zones.

  Perhaps when a mushroom cloud ascends from New York City that will be sufficient sign for people to take this seriously.
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  Inheritance and Ex JW children

  by greendawn in

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  we all know how disfellowshipped or disassociated children get treated by their jw parents, that they are totally shunned.

  but what happens when it comes to family inheritance do they get treated fairly or do they get a lesser share or in extreme cases perhaps nothing at all?

  and would jw parents that have no children left in the wts choose to give everything to the org?

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  I don't have a WILL. I have a WON'T.

  A list of people that will be left with my non-dischargeable debts.
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  Inheritance and Ex JW children

  by greendawn in

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  we all know how disfellowshipped or disassociated children get treated by their jw parents, that they are totally shunned.

  but what happens when it comes to family inheritance do they get treated fairly or do they get a lesser share or in extreme cases perhaps nothing at all?

  and would jw parents that have no children left in the wts choose to give everything to the org?

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  Chances are if you are a third or fourth generation JW there is nothing to inherit.

  They didn't invest in the future.

  They didn't buy a lot of property.

  They didn't get much education.

  They didn't purchase life insurance.

  They refused promotions at their jobs.

  Any excess money that may have accumulated (from not smoking) was placed in trust as an interest free loan to the Society.

  "God bless the child that's got his own"
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  Prayer doesn't cure the sick, says study

  by Elsewhere in

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  http://www.physorg.com/news5205.html.

  prayer doesn't cure the sick, says study .

  praying for people who are facing heart surgery does not raise their chances of a cure or of avoiding death, according to an unusual study published this saturday in the british medical weekly the lancet.

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  Farkel:

  In a way our mouths are really connected to our assholes. Nothing fails like prayer.

  I do have Buddhist leanings though and like the "feel -good" from the concept that I'm helping people by smililng.
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  Creationists respond to Dawkins

  by hooberus in

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  climbing mount improbable .

  http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i1/improbable.asp .

  unweaving the rainbow

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  The only reason there is a discussion of this sort is due to the fact that the originator of language and communication apparently plays games by remaining mute.

  Perhaps the God of the creationists is in the bathroom and taking a 10,000 year crap.