Prayer doesn't cure the sick, says study

by Elsewhere 40 Replies latest jw friends

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    http://www.physorg.com/news5205.html

    Prayer doesn't cure the sick, says study

    Praying for people who are facing heart surgery does not raise their chances of a cure or of avoiding death, according to an unusual study published this Saturday in the British medical weekly The Lancet.
    US doctors enrolled 748 patients with coronary artery disease who were about to undergo cardiac or arterial treatment using a catheter, a technique that can be done under local anaesthetic and is less invasive than open surgery but still carries a risk.

    The patients were assigned to two groups of roughly equal numbers.

    The first group had prayers said for them at a distance by Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and others; the second one had no prayers said for them.

    In addition to this, half of each group received bedside training in music, imagery and touch -- practising relaxed breathing and listening to laid-back music to prepare for their operation -- and half did not.

    At a six-month followup check, there was no significant difference in the outcome between the prayer and no prayer groups, in terms of mortality, the number of heart attacks or readmissions to hospital.

    But in both groups, the patients who received the "music, imagery and touch" treatment did get a perceptible benefit.

    They were less stressed and worried prior to the operation, and their death rate at six months was slightly lower when compared with patients who did not get this treatment.

    The study was led by Mitchell Krucoff of the Duke University Medical Center in North Carolina.
  • Ellie
    Ellie

    you don't say!

  • DannyBloem
    DannyBloem

    I would also not be surprised if a study showed that in some cases it could help.

    It can help if people really think they will become cured. Not that God has anything to do with it.

    Danny

  • Ellie
    Ellie

    Danny, I agree with you but this is due to positive thinking and not god.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    Well, duh.

    I can say though that when I ask people, Christians, pagans, Buddhists, hindus, etc. to pray for my children and grandchildren, I always see results. Not instant cures to their problems, but results. I believe in the power of this kind of communication to the cosmos. I don't ever expect cures though, just relief and wisdom to deal with things.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    The Christians will claim that they cure diseases of the spirit rather than the body though the religious leaders will always claim that physical miracles do happen, to maintain that sense of mystique and contact with the divine.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/InterventionalCardiology/tb/1362

    DURHAM, N.C. July 14-Can prayers for divine intervention affect the outcomes of cardiac interventions? God only knows.

    That's the dispassionate, science-based conclusion of investigators in the multicenter MANTRA II trial, a study looking at the effects of distant prayer and of combined music, imagery, and touch therapy on patients scheduled to undergo cardiac catheterization. It was published in the July 16 issue of The Lancet.

    In a study involving 748 patients at eight centers slated for catheterizations, patients who, unbeknownst to them, were randomly assigned to be the subjects of multi-faith prayers before their procedures, fared no better than controls (un-prayed for) patients, reported Mitchell W. Krucoff, M.D. of the Duke Clinical Research Institute here and colleagues.

    In addition to seeing no effect of prayer, they found that patients who were randomly assigned to receive music, imagery and touch therapy shortly before their scheduled procedures reported having lower stress going into the procedure. Yet they did no better than controls on measures of major cardiovascular events or hospital readmission, although treated patients have a lower risk of death at a six month follow-up.

    The authors bent over backwards to be respectful of divergent beliefs and practices, and emphasized that the influence on health of so-called "noetic" interventions -- defined as therapies that don't involve the use of tangible drugs or devices -- deserves further scientific scrutiny.

    "If we want to understand the role of human capacities and resources in the midst of our most advanced medical technologies, we have to do good science," Dr. Krucoff said. "With no notion of the actual mechanisms involved in ancient healing practices such as prayer or touch or music, structured outcomes research allows us to collect data that we can learn from in many ways."

    The task that the MANTRA II investigators set for themselves was like trying to nail Jell-O to a wall -- an effort to apply solid scientific reasoning and unbiased measurement tools to intangible spiritual and metaphysical concepts.

    They attempted it by randomly assigning 748 cardiac procedure candidates to either off-site prayer by established congregations of various religions or to no prayer; or to music, imagery, and touch (MIT) therapy conducted by a practitioner certified in Level 1 Healing Touch, or no MIT.

    In all, 192 patients received only standard care, 182 received off-site prayer, 185 had MIT therapy only, and 189 had both prayer and MIT.

    MIT consisted of a 40-minute open bedside session before the procedure, in which each patient was taught relaxed breathing techniques, and was asked to choose and focus mentally on an image of the most peaceful, beautiful place he/she could think of. Patients chose a preferred type of music from a standardized selection, and each practitioner applied 21 Healing Touch hand positions applied for 45 seconds each. Patients were also allowed to listen with headphones to their music of choice during the procedure.

    For the prayed-for group, the name, age and illness of each patient was furnished to each of 12 Christian, Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist prayer groups within 30 minutes of randomization. In the final year of enrollment, a second tier of 12 prayer groups was added.

    "When a patient was assigned prayer therapy, the second-tier groups were not given information on the name, age or illness, but were simply notified that a patient had been enrolled and asked to pray for the prayers of the primary-tier congregations," the authors explained.

    The primary study outcome was a composite endpoint of in-hospital major cardiac adverse events or death or readmission to hospital within six months of the procedure. Pre-specified secondary endpoints included major adverse cardiovascular events, death or readmission, and mortality, each within the following 6 months.

    Major adverse events included death, new myocardial infarction on ECG or a rise in creatine phosphokinase more than twice the upper limit of normal, new congestive heart failure, repeat percutaneous coronary intervention, or coronary bypass surgery.

    Among the 717 patients available for complete six-month follow-up, there were a total of 263 (37%) composite endpoints, 179 (24%) major cardiovascular events, 238 (33%) hospital readmissions, and 27 (4%) deaths.

    Among the MIT patients, there were no differences between treated patients and controls in the composite primary or secondary endpoints. There was however a significant difference in the isolated endpoint of death within six months, with MIT-treated patients having a significantly lower risk of dying than controls (hazard ratio 0.35 [95% CI, 0.15-0.82, p=0.0156]).

    Although treated patients in this group reported lower levels of distress prior to the procedure, "we cannot with certainty discern whether the mechanism of this effect relates to the presence of a compassionate human being at the bedside or to any individual component of the treatment strategy (the music, the imagery, or the touch)," Dr. Krucoff's group wrote.

    In the prayed-for patient group there were no significant differences between prayer and no-prayer groups in any of the primary or secondary endpoints. In addition, there were no significant differences between the single-tier or two-tier prayer groups.

    A comparison among all four combinations (prayer only, MIT only, prayer plus MIT or standard care alone) showed no significant differences in the primary or secondary composite endpoints. Six-month mortality was slightly lower in patients assigned to both prayer and MIT than in those assigned to standard care or to prayer only, with hazard ratios of 0.34 (95% CI 0.09-1.25; p=0.10) and 0.26 (95% CI 0.07-0.93; p=0.04).

    "Active bedside compassion and prayers for the sick are widely practiced for healing throughout the world. Whether such bedside and remote practices have any effect on clinical outcomes remains controversial," the investigators commented.

    "Do the results of the MANTRA II study rule out the use of noetic therapies in modern scientific medicine?" Lancet editors asked in an accompanying editorial. "Such a conclusion would be premature. The contribution that hope and belief make to a personal understanding of illness cannot be dismissed so lightly. They are proper subjects for science, even while transcending its known bounds."

  • DannyBloem
    DannyBloem
    Danny, I agree with you but this is due to positive thinking and not god.

    yes that is what I mean. "Therefore I said God has nothing to do with it"

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    DURHAM, N.C. July 14-Can prayers for divine intervention affect the outcomes of cardiac interventions? God only knows.

    Well, I don't know about that, but my daughter had heart surgery yesterday and many people sure prayed like hell for her to come through safely and guess what, she did. I asked that she be spared for the sake of her two sons who would go to horrible fathers if she weren't to make it. But we were praying for all kinds of other stuff that came true, too. Coincidence, yes it's possible it was coincidence.

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien

    if they're all going to heaven, then why don't they pray for death? hell, i would.

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