Posts by proplog2

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Let's just get something straight about 1975.

by WTFBBQPWNT in

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nobody ever said that the end was coming in 1975.. all the hype about this date that has continued all the way down through today came from a talk in the early 70's by fred franz.

in this talk, franz pointed out the significance of the 7 creative days and how they correspond with 1,000-year time intervals.. he then said, "could the end come in 1975?

there's so much wrong with jehovah's witnesses from their rigid legalism to their faux love, but let's call a spade a spade about the 1975 thing..

proplog2

I heard a close relative of mine discussing the 1975 situation with Karl Klein. This was after 1975 when the number of publishers went into negative numbers. Karl Klein said that the members of the governing body were teasing Fred Franz about 1975 earlier in the year 1975 and his answer was "it isn't fall yet!"

They left a few saving clauses in their 1975 pronouncements. Maybe in their publications they allowed themselves some wiggle room but the whole thrust of the organization from 1966 onward was that something big-significant was going to happen in 1975. They weren't clear whether the great tribulation was going to start or if it would be over by then.

The whole thing was a debacle. It was not the figment of the members imaginations even though that's what the Watchtower would like to have everyone believe.

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Greg Stafford says racial unity among JW's makes them God's people

by truthseeker in

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check this out.... http://www.elihubooks.com/greg-stafford/jwd3.htm.

proplog2

Since Greg makes the comment that he only believes what can be DEFENDED Greg needs to try to defend the Bible. He needs to defend the idea of a supreme being. Who cares how closely a religion adheres to its "book". I am sure there are Moslems who are excellent witnesses to Allah and follow the Koran accurately.

His defending the JW "defense" on blood is NO DEFENSE at all it's just a restatement of this fallacious doctrine.

Gregg is not full of doo-doo. He is full of himself. Wasn't he Apokrisis on the old forums?

Where is Farkel?

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DA BEARS!!!!

by earthtone in

i'm sure alot of you already know that i am a huge bears fan.

went to the game tonight.

and it was off da hook!.

proplog2

It's only been 21 years.

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New special campaign....a few things that most don't see....

by RedPill2006 in

ok. we have that "special" campaign ahead.....i still don't know how i will avoid participating....my family is all excited and will put the pressure on.....i might get my 50 tracts and toss them somewhere......it will look suspicious that i finished after an hour and "placed" 50 pcs in a territory that is closed to jw.....anyway.

here a few thoughts that crossed my mind:.

everybody at my hall is all excited about this special tract and i can't get the nice conversations i usually have with a few going, because of the excitement.

proplog2

Aren't they distributing Kingdom News #37. What happened after the other 36 were urgently placed in the hands of the endangered masses?

It appears the chosen ones from David on have had problems because of numbering things.

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Issuing a Challenge to Atheists and Unbelievers

by The wanderer in

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questions for the atheists and unbelievers understandably, individuals who have left the organization did so for.

personal and more than likely good reasons.

and after reading the .

proplog2

This subject is old and worn out. It is probably good for theists to get into one of these arguments so they can learn that they don't have much basis for their faith. Other forums have specialized in this on-going argument. There are also thousands of books on the subject. One book I like is

"Atheist Debaters Handbook" short but powerful.

The value of these discussions in the context of JW thinking is that it provides me with a view of the level of intellectual maturity of the participants.

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what would be "proof" of God's existance to someone?

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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short of god coming down herself to say "howdy y'all!

" what would it take to make you a believer in god?.

not necessarily the god of the bible or any religion in particular, just a supreme deity of some sort, call it ra, thor or chaos.

proplog2

The Bible God is supposed to be all-powerful, all-knowing etc. It is impossible for a human to be able to conclude that a particular entity is actually all-powerful or all- knowing. You never know if the entity is telling the truth or not. How do you know that a particular demonstration of "power" is infinite? A being may know a lot but how do you determine with a finite mind that a particular being knows "everything".

You never know when a stronger and smarter being will come along.

The whole idea of such a god is incoherent.

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Wasn't there going to be a "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" sometime about now?

by Pubsinger in

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hi guys.. i mostly lurk but i'm sure there was speculation early summer about some "big announcement" scheduled for octoberish.. did i miss it or are we any the wiser what/when it will be?.

pub.

proplog2

It's kind of like your parents coming home from shopping and telling you: "Guess what I bought you?"

" A brand new pair of socks!!!"

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If the UN dissolves...will the WTS recover?

by AuldSoul in

there is a public groundswell of support within the united states of america, inc. for the us to withdraw from the un.

while this departing of one-half of the seventh king (and the "king of the south") could be prophetically spun into a harmless twist and twang on an old saw, the general consensus seems to be that the un would have great difficulty maintaining orderliness within its ranks.

also, there is a strong argument to be made that without us financial backing the un would fold due to a shortage of funding.. although it isn't particularly likely, it is certainly a possibility.

proplog2

Still waiting for someone to comment on the translation "springs from" at Revelation 17:11

I think this is a real problem for the Watchtower's belief that the eighth king is the UN

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Angels & Sexual urges..

by tan in

i was reading another thread and wondered why it was that the perfect angels began to have sexual urges???

i also wondered if the resurrected ones were not to procreate why a loving god would put them on the earth to tease them.

jthey're going to be perfect too, will they eventually have these urges too, just to be destroyed when it's all said and done.

proplog2

If there is anything to those ancient stories I ~~believe~~ imagine angels are material beings from a parallel universe that have cloaking technology. They appear when they turn off the cloaking devices.

If peace is achieved in other worlds it would most likely be at the expense of sexual reproduction. Sex is at the root of Nationalism and territoriality.

Maybe there is some "law" in the cosmic federation that prohibits having sex with other intelligent species. Although, having sex with humans may be considered similar to bestiality by an advanced species.

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If the UN dissolves...will the WTS recover?

by AuldSoul in

there is a public groundswell of support within the united states of america, inc. for the us to withdraw from the un.

while this departing of one-half of the seventh king (and the "king of the south") could be prophetically spun into a harmless twist and twang on an old saw, the general consensus seems to be that the un would have great difficulty maintaining orderliness within its ranks.

also, there is a strong argument to be made that without us financial backing the un would fold due to a shortage of funding.. although it isn't particularly likely, it is certainly a possibility.

proplog2

You don't have to wait for the UN to fold. The Watchtower's UN explanation for the beast that "was, is not" is flawed.

I would like to see the Greek experts here examine the Watchtowers translation of Rev. 17;11. They translate "out of" as "springs from". Many translations use the words "out of" or even "one of". The words "springs from the seven" is the Watchtowers key scripture to prove that the Eighth head is the UN.

I tend to prefer "the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth king, but is "one of" the seven.