a dialogue has opened up between me and a jw friend about their stance on blood.
just wondered if any of you were ever asked a question that made you think twice, or if you have any questions that you think would be good to ask?
(i don't want to offend this person.
The biggest mistake JW's make is their thinking that it is wrong for Christians to eat blood. If you address THAT issue the transfusion question is finished. That's why the scripture I quoted from Mark above needs to be included in the arsenal of those dissenting watchtower blood policy.
Too many x-jw really think that it is wrong to eat blood. They haven't figured out that Christians are not under the Mosaic food restrictions.
Am I alone on this or do some of you see what I'm getting at.
a dialogue has opened up between me and a jw friend about their stance on blood.
just wondered if any of you were ever asked a question that made you think twice, or if you have any questions that you think would be good to ask?
(i don't want to offend this person.
Jesus said that no-thing (blood is a "thing" ) that enters the body can defile it. Mark 7:13-19.
The point is made at the end of this in vs 19 "Thus he declared ALL foods clean."
It is OK to eat blood. It is a nourishing food. Christians are not under food restrictions_ except if it could stumble someone with a weak conscience.
I am baffled why this scripture isn't used by those who would like to discredit the flawed reasoning of the Watchtower Pharisees. It neatly puts the whole issue into perspective.
No need to define what "eating" is. No need to compare intravenous feeding with oral ingestion.
It makes it possible to read Acts 15 and realize that the request ot abstain from blood was an effort to placate Jewish Christians and make it possible for Gentiles to share meals with their Jewish brothers.
whether it is god or the beginning of evolution, how did it come from nothing?
we are here, that is a fact, where did we come from?
belief systems are another thing, where is the proof of anything?.
Nothing
is IMPOSSIBLE.
NO
THING
IS
IMPOSSIBLE.
NO-THING
IS
IMPOSSIBLE.
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after reading another thread it got me thinking...how many here believe in aliens?
have you ever seen a ufo?
Every so often this subject reappears. So I keep this link to my own personal experience handy.
Jehovahs Witness Discussion Forum - Topic: HELP! Real UFO experience. No Joke.
a few years ago, the organization seemed to be drifting towards reason.
the knowledge book downplayed holidays and blood.. witness kids were told they could go to college.
the new worship book - as a re-edited "united" book - removed all mention of.
They have two options. 1. Give up the erroneous blood doctrine and lose their control 2. Dig in with hope that either Armageddon will rescue them or a technological break through comes along with an oxygen carrying replacement for red blood cells.
The obvious choice is DIG IN.
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the christian congregation of jw sent a letter to all congregations regarding hospital liaison committees.
this letter will be read the week of january 30, 2006. i can email a pdf of the letter to someone willing to post it here.
print out a copy of the letter. Tear it in half and throw it in the rest room waste basket. Someone will fish it out.
hi all, this post comes from the e-watchman site, when i get the mags, i will post further.. http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=433.
the following is taken from the watchtower of january 15, 2006, page 23 under the heading 'resist the foremost apostate': .
'because of listening to the devil and not rejecting his lies, the first human pair apostatized.
The Watchtower Org knows the power of reading information that challenges your beliefs. Most JW's left their families religion when they read Watchtowers critical of their religion. It works both ways.
You can't stop it. Information is all around us. The fact that they keep harping on the internet shows that they know its their weak spot.
IF nothing happens by 2014 (centenial of "Christs Return") they will break up into various dissenting groups.
what are your favorite notable bible passages, why and how does it affect your life?
i have a few such as; "for if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing he is dececiving his own mind.
"also from presumptuous acts hold your servant back; do not let them dominate me.
Almost all of the troubles experienced by people in this forum have been caused by "BIBLE BELIEVERS"
Most of the quotes that inspire you are simply common sense. Every culture has "wise sayings".
Here are a few quotes I would have liked to have seen in a book by the creator of all things.
"Boil the water."
"The earth is not a flat circle but a spherical ball"
"You think with that soft stuff inside your skull - yes you have a BRAIN"
"I Jehovah am going to set the example and quit having tantrums."
"Wombs are not just soil - fertile or infertile"
"Semen does not have little people. They are half - people. The other half is already in the woman"
"Man is Woman without a Womb"
"Listen to the women and obey them just like you listen and obey the male leaders"
"Circumcision? What is circumcision. I never told you to do something so stupid."
"Women can divorce their husbands"
"People who have convulsions are not demon possessed"
etc. etc.
as you all may know, the elders around america have had (or will have) their annual meetings.
you know, the ones where they are trained and brought up to date about the whole scheme of things.. anyway, an elder who i happen to be close to was telling me yesterday that some troubling/disturbing things has been going down in congregations worldwide.
he also mentioned that it will be mentioned in watchtowers and km's in the next few months.. anyone know what he may be talking about?
It probably DOES have something to do with the internet It wouldn't surprise me if some loyal JW's have technical jobs that allow them access to annonymous screen names on Yahoo, AOL, Hotmail etc. and have matched these up with members in the congregation. They may also have some clever hackers.
Although they won't be able to reveal their sources they will alert trusted local elders who in turn will search for opportunities to catch the suspected members in some sort of trap. Or they may simply remove elders or MS who are linked to apostate activity. They may not disfellowship them right away but they will turn up the heat to smoke them out.
The internet is their weakest link right now. It is a thorn in the side of every organization that tries to control access to information - governments, corporations (especially music, film, books, software), churches.
The internet is the greatest thing that has happened in my life time. Greater than walking on the moon, jet travel, television.
It's time for Simon to increase security around here. Maybe some may want to change their screen names. Might also be a good time for people to create their own archives of these boards. Simon may have to remove incriminating information for certain members and this could screw up some very important threads.
eternal life on earth?
god told the first human couple their destiny if they disobeyed.
he did not discuss their eternal future if they obeyed.
Jeff:
I am not personally attacking Ray Franz. He just stopped growing. He reached an impasse and that's where he sits.
Ray Franz is not in this forum because he chooses NOT to be. That's either arrogance or realism.
Ray was privy to certain information. He needed to do something to pay the rent. He wrote a couple books.
I was never in the "inner" circle of the JW world. Started going from door to door in 1950. Baptized in 1956.
I did what many JW's did. Lived crappy lives trying to obey silly rules that men like Ray Franz shared in enforcing.
No one is interested in MY story. And I don't have time to write it before I die.
Ray's criticism of evolution (in a blog) is intellectually inexcuseable. The damn Catholic church even admits man evolved but Ray can't cross that river.
I'm glad he wrote his history. I wish I had a history worth writing. But at least I don't keep deluding myself.
